Recruitment Thread for Pell's D&D 3.5 Game

[Amara]

I made an actual sheet since it's easier for me to figure out stats that way. I'm going over items and buying them now. I'll post a text/forum version of the sheet once it's complete, if that's alright?

[willpell]

Sounds good, both of you. I'm still doing poorly at constructing your intro story; I have vague ideas of a location and possible long-term plotlines, but in the short term I might just be kinda dumping you in a sandbox to interact with whatever happens to occur to me, until I have more of an idea what to do in the moment.

[Amara]

I'm actually getting stuck pretty hard on armor.
Typical image of a paladin - plate of course...but with so much geared toward grappling, something less encumbering might be nice ....alternately, mithril. (oh boy another +9k) :b I'm waffling on exact type or what to really do here. The main issue is...being a shifter.
Now there is 'wild' (which is 9k/+3) but that's meant to be for wild shape, which an alternate shape is quite a bit different to.
There's also shapeshifter's armor but that's...epic level hide armor (meant for use with polymorph, shapechange and the like,) and it is rather ridiculous to even consider. Also impossible, at 200k. Off the top of my head, I don't know of any other options to take, save...getting armor that's very, very easily removed, and that would mean lots of the party getting to deal with a naked Rían trying to re-dress himself after shifting back. Oh boy. Amusing though that is, it's not very practical.


If such an enchantment does not exist, (and I SWEAR there must be something more feasible that I'm not finding,) what would you consider a fair price? Wild is considered a +3 with a respective cost of 9k, which seems rather fair for what you get, but a were's shifting is, of course, different. Only other thing I can think of is wilding clasps.

[spiderwrangler]

Maybe my spider friends can spin him some silken undergarments that will stretch with him so we don't have to see his 'bear naked' self....

[Feytala]

If you don't insist on wearing the armor in shifted form and you just want no mess with putting it on/off... Well :

CALLED-Armor is an Armor-Enchantment from the Magic Item Compendium. If you and your Armor are at least on the same plane, you can call it to you. If you aren't wearing any armor at thte time you call it, it materializes on your body.
Costs 2000 GP.

Solution ? Normally, in Humanoid form, wear your normal armor, make it called.
Have a spare Armor, Custom-made for your Were-form. Make that also called. When you shift, your normal armor drops automatically.
Now just call your Were-Form-Armor. (Say, from your bag of holding ? Tadaaa.
Battle over. Drop your Wereform Armor.
Shift back. Call your normal armor.
Naked time = I action.


I think that is a halfway good solution... Also costs "only" 4000 gp. And as a bonus you basically never loose your armor. I don't really know if "calling" is an action, though.

[willpell]

It looks as if wearing armor is not a good idea for you; Called armor would still need to be taken off before you assume bear form, so that's not much help. I can't find Wild, but Beastskin is probably similar, and it specifically asks you to spend Wild Shape uses, so it probably doesn't translate. I think you're stuck wearing a magic robe (up to +5 AC) and maybe one of the "shirts" from the MIC, which grant Damage Reduction 3. I'll rule that these are cut in such a way that they can still fit (poorly) once you grow to full size, but actual armor would still come apart at the seams if you tried it.

[Amara]

I couldn't find the book/page number, but it is in the srd.


Wild

The wearer of a suit of armor or a shield with this ability preserves his armor bonus (and any enhancement bonus) while in a wild shape. Armor and shields with this ability usually appear to be made covered in leaf patterns. While the wearer is in a wild shape, the armor cannot be seen.

Moderate transmutation; CL 9th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, baleful polymorph; Price +3 bonus.

I can provide a link here at least.
It doesn't say one has to spend wild shape uses, but it does say it's for wild shape. (Ahah and googling it finds tons of people trying to stat were characters wondering if it works. That's...that's great.)

If it's definitely a no go, it's looking like the robe/shirt is what I'll have to go with, yeah.

[willpell]

Okay, I think allowing Wild to work for a lycanthrope is reasonable enough.

I've dreamed up an adventure site that should suffice for this party's purposes, and have begun detailing it. I'll give you a link when I've got an intro written up, though I imagine it'll be a little while before we're really "ready" to start.

Hey Nioca, you still with us?

[Amara]

...could we also rule it DOESN'T go invisible, since the mechanical bit is just me keeping armor bonus? XD
To avoid naked bears, and also because the idea of a massive armored bear is just wondrous.

[willpell]

Absolutely.

[Nioca]

Hey Nioca, you still with us?

I am. I just got a new modem today, so I should be able to keep up more.

Speaking of which, since you don't really like Retributive Spell, and we're missing both a Trapfinder AND a dedicated Healer, what if I instead took Leadership to take a Rogue/Druid cohort? It wouldn't be perfect, but we'd have someone on hand who could heal and find traps.

[willpell]

This sounds like a plan. Perhaps he's a Daggerspell Shaper? Assuming you can get enough leadership for the maximum power cohort (your level minus two), you can get someone who's just taken the first level of the PrC.

[Nioca]

This sounds like a plan. Perhaps he's a Daggerspell Shaper? Assuming you can get enough leadership for the maximum power cohort (your level minus two), you can get someone who's just taken the first level of the PrC.

The leadership score shouldn't be a problem at all. However, thanks to LA, his cohort can only be L5; the cohort would need another level before he'd be able to qualify for Daggerspell Shaper (1 level of rogue for sneak attack, 5 levels of druid for wild shape).

[willpell]

Wrangler, I was 2/3 of the way finished writing our intro post when I figured out that you hadn't actually provided a name for your character yet, so for the moment he will just be referred to as "Spiderman"; I'll edit the post later.

@ Nioca - Hm, LA is annoying that way. I'm almost tempted to rule that it uses ECL instead of CL, but that might be a dangerous precedent. I *did* end up ruling that ECL is used in Affiliation scores, but that's not quite the same thing.

[Amara]

If you ruled ECL... Hnm. I could potentially drop skill focus for leadership if you would rather be freed for something else, Nioca, though a roguish cohort for a pally would admittedly be odd haha. Going off ECL, with leadership I'd have a score of 12. ...unless Nioca's character would still have higher leadership in that situation, of course. (I'm not certain of their charisma mod.)

Otherwise I've got equipment planned out in my iPad's notes, and I'll type it up once I'm home. Tonight is my night class, so I'll be back a touch late.

[willpell]

"IT HAS BEGUN!"

(I know you guys aren't really ready, but hopefully you don't mind me setting a stage for you to get started roleplaying; the mechanics can catch up in time.)

[Amara]

Gurahl.
A fan of WtA?

[spiderwrangler]

Wrangler, I was 2/3 of the way finished writing our intro post when I figured out that you hadn't actually provided a name for your character yet, so for the moment he will just be referred to as "Spiderman"; I'll edit the post later..

Kastrail S'lvarn.... Kast for short.

[willpell]

Gurahl.
A fan of WtA?

Quite. It seemed a good name for a throwaway NPC....

[spiderwrangler]

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Name : Kastrail S'lvarn
Race : Wood Elf
Class : Ranger
ECL : 9
Align : Chaotic Neutral
Affiliation: None
Deity : While not an avid worshipper, Kast feels closest to Fenmarel Mestarine, patron of elves at the fringe of society. He is unlikely to ask anything of Fenmarel, self-reliance is expected of followers of this deity.

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Age : 128
Gender : Male
Height : 5ÔÇÖ5ÔÇØ
Weight : 157lbs.
Skin: Tanned olive shade
Hair : Reddish brown, long, but worn pulled back in a club or braid.
Eyes : Hazel and piercing


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Wearing sturdy boots, dark leather breeches, deep green shirt under a tan leather vest with faint leaf patterns, and a pair of leather gloves. From each hip hangs a kukri, and on his back he carries a handy haversack and quiver, hooded Cloak of Arachnida is dark with shimmering gossamer silk patterned over it. One of his kukri has a handle wrapped in silk and web patterns etched into the blade.

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ABILITIES (1 pts)
Final
Base Level Racial Magic Misc Ability / Modifier
Bonus Bonus Item Score

STR = 08 + 6 PB + 0 Level + 2 Racial + 0 Magic + 0 Age = 16 (+3)
DEX = 08 + 10 PB + 2 Level + 2 Racial + 2 Magic (Gloves) + 0 Age = 22 (+6)
CON = 08 + 6 PB + 0 Level - 2 Racial + 0 Magic + 0 Age = 12 (+1)
INT = 08 + 4 PB + 0 Level - 2 Racial + 0 Magic + 0 Age = 10 (+0)
WIS = 08 + 6 PB + 0 Level + 0 Racial + 0 Magic + 0 Age = 14 (+2)
CHA = 08 + 0 PB + 0 Level + 0 Racial + 0 Magic + 0 Age = 08 (-1)

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HP : 81/81
HD: 9d8+9

Size : Medium
Speed : 30 ft.

XP : 36000
Next Level At:

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COMBAT STATISTICS

BASE ATTACK BONUS
MELEE
Total: +12/+7
Base: +9/+4
STR: +3
Misc: --

RANGED AND FINESSE
Total: +15/+10
Base: +9/+4
DEX: +6
Misc: --

TWO WEAPON FIGHTING: Kukri
Primary: Spiderkissed Kukri, +1 to hit, Dmg = 1d4 +3STR +1Weapon Enhancement, Crit = 15-20/x2 + target becomes entangled (DC 13 Reflex) for 5 rounds as a mass of webbing covers its body. The webbing cannot be removed.
Base: +9/+4
Penalty: -2/-2 (-6 Penalty +2 TWF +2 Light)
DEX: +6/+6
Misc: +1/+1 Weapon Focus, +1/+1 Weapon Enhancement
Total: +15/+10

Offhand: Kukri +1, +1 to hit, Dmg = 1d4 +2STR +1Weapon Enhancement, Crit = 15-20/x2
Base: +9/+4
Penalty: -2/-2 (-10 Penalty +6 TWF +2 Light)
DEX: +6/+6
Misc: +1/+1 Weapon Focus, +1/+1 Weapon Enhancement
Total: +15/+10

SINGLE WEAPON FIGHTING: Kukri
Spiderkissed Kukri, +1 to hit, Dmg = 1d4 +3STR +1Weapon Enhancement, Crit = 15-20/x2 + target becomes entangled (DC 13 Reflex) for 5 rounds as a mass of webbing covers its body. The webbing cannot be removed.
Base: +9/+4
Penalty: --
DEX: +6/+6
Misc: +1/+1 Weapon Focus, +1/+1 Weapon Enhancement
Total:+17/+12

GRAPPLE BONUS: BAB +9 + STR +3 + SIZE +0 = +11

ARMOR CLASS
AC Total : 20
AC when Flat-Footed 14
AC vs Touch Attack 16
Base: 10
Armor: 4
Natural: +0
Shield: --
Dexterity: +6
Size: +0
Magic: --
Misc.: --

INITIATIVE
Total: 6
DEX: +6
Misc.: --

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SAVING THROWS

Total Base Ability Misc Magic
FORT : +7 = 6 + 1 + 0 + 0
REF : +11 = 6 + 5 + 0 + 0
WILL : +5 = 3 + 2 + 0 + 0
Racial Bonus : + 2 to throws against enchantment spells or effects

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RACIAL TRAITS

Ability Adjustments: +2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence
Hardiness vs. Enchantments: Immunity to magic sleep effects, +2 racial bonus to saving throws against enchantment spells or effects
Low Light Vision
Weapon Proficiency: Martial Weapon Proficiency for longsword, rapier, longbow and shortbow (including composite versions)
Keen Senses: + 2 Racial bonus to Listen, Search and Spot checks
Favored Class: Ranger

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FEATS

Weapon Finesse: Use DEX instead of STR for attack rolls with Light and Natural weapons plus a few others; apply Armor Check Penalty from shields to your attack roll
Weapon Focus: Kukri: Gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls made using kukri
Blind-Fight: In melee, every time you miss because of concealment, you can reroll your miss chance percentile roll one time to see if you actually hit.
An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee. That is, you donÔÇÖt lose your Dexterity bonus to Armor Class, and the attacker doesnÔÇÖt get the usual +2 bonus for being invisible. The invisible attackerÔÇÖs bonuses do still apply for ranged attacks, however.
You take only half the usual penalty to speed for being unable to see. Darkness and poor visibility in general reduces your speed to three-quarters normal, instead of one-half.
Improved Critical: Kukri: When using kukri, threat range is doubled (15-20/x2 instead of 18-20/x2).
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CLASS ABILITIES

Proficient with all simple and martial weapons, light armor and shields (except tower shields).
Favored Enemy: Humans: Gain + 4 bonus on Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot and Survival checks against humans. Gain + 4 bonus on weapon damage rolls against humans.
Favored Enemy: Constructs: Gain + 2 bonus on Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot and Survival checks against constructs. Gain + 2 bonus on weapon damage rolls against constructs.
Track: Make a Survival check to find or follow tracks.
Wild Empathy: ÔÇ£DiplomacyÔÇØ check for animals. Roll 1d20 + ranger levels + CHA mod for WE check. Must be able to study the animal, and magic beasts with INT 1-2 give a -4 penalty on the check.
Combat Style: Two-Weapon Fighting: Attack roll penalties for fighting with two hands are reduced, by 2 for your primary hand, and by 6 for your off hand.
Endurance: Gain +4 bonus to Swim checks to resist nonlethal damage, CON checks to continue running, avoid nonlethal damage from forced march, holding your breath, or avoid nonlethal damage from starvation or thirst, FORT saves to avoid nonlethal damage from hot or cold environments or resist damage from suffocation. Sleeping in light armor does not cause fatigue.
Animal Companion: Large Monstrous Spider: Gains an animal companion as per the druid Animal Companion ability, with druid equivalent level being equal to › ranger levels.
Improved Combat Style: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting: In addition to the standard single extra attack with the off-hand, another is gained at -5 penalty.
Woodland Stride: Able to move through natural undergrowth with no speed, damage or impairment penalties.
Swift Tracker: Able to follow tracks at normal speed without the -5 penalty. Able to move at twice normal speed while following tracks with a -10 penalty (instead of -20).
Evasion: Against attacks that normally deal half damage on successful reflex saves, a successful saving throw results in no damage.
Empathic Link: LoS with vermin companion, allows communication of needs (come, down, heel, attack), concept is conveyed through feeling rather than words
Share Spells: Able to share spells with vermin companion

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AFFILIATION DETAILS

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SKILLS

Ranger Class Skills
Climb: 0 Ranks + 3 STR - 0 Armor = + 3 total - Cloak of Arachnida
Concentration: 5 Ranks + 1 CON = + 6 total
Craft: 0 Ranks + 0 INT = +0 total
Handle Animal: 5 Ranks - 1 CHA = + 4 total (only to handle or push domestic animals; other applications not usable untrained)
Heal: 0 Ranks + 2 WIS = + 2 total
Hide: 0 Ranks + 6 DEX - 0 Armor = + 6 total
Jump: 3 Ranks + 3 STR - 0 Armor = + 6 total
Listen: 12 Ranks + 2 WIS + 2 Racial Bonus = +16 total, Favored Enemy: + 2 against constructs, + 4 against humans
Knowledge: Dungeoneering: 5 Ranks + 0 INT = +5 total
Knowledge: Geography: 5 Ranks + 0 INT = +5 total
Knowledge: Nature: 6 Ranks + 0 INT + 2 Survival = +8 total
Move Silently: 0 Ranks + 6 DEX - 0 Armor = +6 total
Profession: Ranger?: 0 Ranks + 2 WIS = + 2 total
Ride: 0 Ranks + 6 DEX - 0 ordinary saddle + 2 Handle Animal = +8 total
Search: 0 Ranks + 0 INT + 2 Racial Bonus = +2 total
Spot: 12 Ranks + 2 WIS + 2 Racial Bonus = + 16 total, Favored Enemy: + 2 against constructs, + 4 against humans
Survival: 12 Ranks + 2 WIS = + 14 total + 2 to keep from getting lost or to avoid natural hazards, + 2 in aboveground natural environments, + 2 while underground, Favored Enemy: + 2 against constructs, + 4 against humans
Swim: 1 Ranks +3 STR - 0 Double Armor = + 4 total + 4 to avoid taking nonlethal damage from fatigue.
Use Rope: 1 Ranks + 6 DEX = +7 total
Wild Empathy: 5 Ranks ÔÇô 1 CHA + 2 Handle Animal = + 6 total


Cross-Class Skills
Appraise: 0 Ranks + 0 INT = + 0 total
Balance: 0 Ranks + 6 DEX - 0 Armor = + 6 total
Bluff: 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = - 1 total, Favored Enemy: + 2 against constructs, + 4 against humans
Diplomacy: 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = - 1 total
Disguise: 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = -1 total
Escape Artist: 0 Ranks + 6 DEX - 0 Armor = + 6 total
Forgery: 0 Ranks + 0 INT = +0 total
Gather Information: 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = - 1 total
Intimidate: 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = - 1 total
Perform: : 0 Ranks - 1 CHA = -1 total
Sense Motive/b]: 0 Ranks + 2 WIS = + 2 total, Favored Enemy: + 2 against constructs, + 4 against humans
Spellcraft: 0 Ranks + 0 INT = +0 total

Synergies:
If you have 5 or more ranks in Use Rope, you get a +2 bonus on Climb checks made to climb a rope, a knotted rope, or a rope-and-wall combination.
If you have 5 ranks in a Craft skill, you get a +2 bonus on Appraise checks related to items made with that Craft skill.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Handle Animal, you get a +2 bonus on Ride checks and wild empathy checks.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (geography), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made to keep from getting lost or to avoid natural hazards.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (nature), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made in aboveground natural environments (aquatic, desert, forest, hill, marsh, mountains, or plains).
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (dungeoneering), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made while underground.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Survival, you get a +2 bonus on Knowledge (nature) checks.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Search, you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks to find or follow tracks.
If you have the Endurance feat, you get a +4 bonus on Swim checks made to avoid taking nonlethal damage from fatigue.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Use Rope, you get a +2 bonus on Escape Artist checks when escaping from rope bonds.
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LANGUAGES

Common, Sylvan
Bonus: None
Purchased:

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WEAPONS
Spiderkissed Kukri, +1 to hit, Dmg = 1d4 +3STR +1Weapon Enhancement, Crit = 15-20/x2 + target becomes entangled (DC 13 Reflex) for 5 rounds as a mass of webbing covers its body. The webbing cannot be removed., Wt = 2 lb., Type = Slashing, 8008 gp
Kukri +1, +1 to hit, Dmg = 1d4 +3STR +1, Crit = 15-20/x2, Wt = 2 lb., Type = Slashing, 2008 gp
Morningstar, Dmg = 1d8, Crit = x2, Wt = 6 lb., Type = Bludge & pierce, 8 gp
Composite Longbow +3, Dmg = 1d8 +3, Crit = x3, Wt = 3 lb., Type = Piercing, 400gp
Arrows (39), Wt. 6 lb., 2 gp
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PROTECTION
Mithral chain shirt: AB = 4, Max DEX = 6, AC = 0, Wt = 12.5 lb, 1100 gp
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EQUIPMENT
Gloves of Dexterity +2, 4000gp
Cloak of Arachnida, 14000gp
Ring of Sustenence, 2500gp
Explorer's Outfit, wt. 8lb, 10gp
Handy Haversack, Wt. 5lb, holds a bunch of stuff at same wt. (2x2ft^3 or 20lb, 8ft^3 or 80lb), 2000gp
Efficient Quiver, wt. 2lb, 3 compartments: 1st - 60 arrow equivalent, 2nd - 18 javelin equivalent, 3rd - 6 bow equivalent, 1800gp
Flint and steel, 1gp

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MAGIC ITEMS
Wand of Cure Light Wounds (50 charges), 0.06lb, 750gp
Dust of Tracelessness, conceals tracks, 250gp

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TREASURE

PP:
GP: 263
SP:
CP:

MISC.:

GEMS:

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SPELLS

Base Ability Misc.
Lvl DC Spell/Day Bonus Bonus Spell Per Day
1 11 1 + 1 + 0 = ? 2
2 12 0 + 1 + 0 = ? 1
3 ?? ? + 0 + 0 = ? ?
4 ?? ? + 0 + 0 = ? ?

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Typically Prepared Spells

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Alarm
Detect Animals

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Summon Swarm: Spiders
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Animal Companion

Name: Kzri
Species: Monstrous Spider, Hunting
Align : Neutral
Size : Large
Speed : 40 ft., climb 20 ft.
HP : 36 /?
Effective HD: 4

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ABILITIES
Final
Base Level Racial Magic Misc Ability / Modifier
Bonus Bonus Item Score

STR : 15 -- -- -- -- 15 / +2
DEX : 17 -- -- -- -- 17 / +3
CON : 12 -- -- -- -- 12 / +1
INT : -- -- -- -- -- -- / --
WIS : 10 -- -- -- -- 10 / +0
CHA : 02 -- -- -- -- 02 / -4

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Attacks
BAB: +3
Grapple: +9
Space: 10 ft.
Reach: 5 ft.
Attack: Bite +4 melee (1d8+3 plus poison)
Full Attack: Bite +4 melee (1d8+3 plus poison)
ARMOR CLASS
AC Total : 14
AC when Flat-Footed 11
AC vs Touch Attack 12
Base: 10
Armor: --
Natural: +2
Shield: --
Dexterity: +3
Size: -2
Magic: --
Misc.: --

INITIATIVE
Total: +3
DEX: +3
Misc.: --

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SAVING THROWS

Fortitude: +5 = +4 + 1 CON + 0 + 0
Reflex: +4 = +1 + 3 DEX + 0 + 0
Will: +1 = +1 + 0 WIS + 0 + 0

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FEATS AND SPECIAL ABILITIES
Poison: Fort Save DC 13, Dmg 1d6 STR
Silk: Can spin strands able to hold its own weight and another creature of the same size. Cannot use web attack.
Tremorsense: Can detect and pinpoint any creature or object within 60 feet in contact with the ground, or within any range in contact with the spiderÔÇÖs webs.
Darkvision
Flees from and will not attack undead or oozes.
Will not attack constructs or incorporeal creatures.
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SKILLS

Climb: 0 Ranks + 3 DEX - 0 Armor +8 Racial Bonus = + 11 total
Hide: 0 Ranks + 3 DEX - 0 Armor = + 3 total
Jump: 0 Ranks + 2 STR - 0 Armor +10 Racial Bonus +4 Speed = + 16 total
Spot: 0 Ranks + 0 WIS + 8 Racial Bonus = + 8 total

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Kast grew up in a remote stretch of forest, which combined with his affinity with spiders often resulted in others being uneasy around him and his ÔÇÿfriendsÔÇÖ, if not being excluded outright. Over time, he moved farther and farther away from his fellows, spending more time in the woods in the company of his many legged friends. Eventually he encountered and established a mutually beneficial bond with a species of giant wolf spider, one of which accompanies him as a companion. Since his relationship and connection with spiders is generally viewed negatively, if not hostilely, it is not something he flaunts. To most strangers, Kzri, his spider companion is... startling... to say the least. If it becomes necessary for Kast to interact with others, she will generally remain hidden, but nearby. They are able to communicate basic concepts, among the primary concern for Kzri is establishing whether something is edible.
While he has grown accustomed to his role at the fringes of society, the prospective of spending the next 200 or so years being actively avoided if not distrusted has begun to wear upon him. If he were able to bring some measure of acclaim to his people, they may welcome him back, if not with open arms, at least a bit more warmly. At the very least, he might at least be able to have some adventure and experience in the world, and be able to have some good stories. In his old age, he'd at least be able tell those stories to the occasional elven youth who dare one another to sneak out to visit the crazy old spider ranger.

[Amara]

Okay so I'm getting my last items together.

Two things.

1) May need to ask you for a few items that don't exist but aren't super important things. Are we starting with anything other than the gold and clothes on our back? (Some DMs auto-decree a bedroll or whatever, so just asking~) :0 Are spices/seasonings listed anywhere in price? I swear there were somewhere, but I can't recall.
Also is there cooking oil? There is flour, and there is all manner of cookware, but are we just assuming the oil used for lanterns is edible? o_o Because sure, you can use cooking oil in a lantern but...haha, depends on what the lantern oil is made of. Otherwise I'm basically done!

2) THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT. Oh lord, I am so serious there. I was almost in a Shadowrun game with a nightmare of a DM that was pushy, domineering, and so hellbent on us starting THAT weekend, not even 3 days after I found out about/was invited to the game, that she tried to force everyone in to playing one of the example templates. In fact, to the extent she found every excuse she could to attack and nitpick character concepts everyone in the group came up with...until they were only left with templates to play. I'm so glad you're giving everyone ample time. ;-; Especially since I'm in University, (and I'm sure there's others of us here that are,) and that means I can go from having all the free time in the world to pulling multiple all nighters to get stuff done in a split second...

[spiderwrangler]

2) THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT.

2nded.

[willpell]

1) May need to ask you for a few items that don't exist but aren't super important things.

I have a persistent terror of some player talking me into letting them have, say, a piece of chalk even though they've spent their last CP and can't afford it, and then later MacGuyvering a boss-killer bomb or something using the freebie. It shouldn't be hard for me to call shenanigans on such a thing if it actually happens, but I start gnawing my proverbial fingernails anytime players seem to be trying to be "clever".

As long as I'm sure you're just enriching the story, though, I can be more chill about it. Really, what I want is for the rules to *enforce* that you're just enriching the story, and can't gain a mechanical effect that you haven't "earned" (though sometimes being clever, genuinely rather than in quotes, is indeed an appropriate way to earn it).

Are we starting with anything other than the gold and clothes on our back? (Some DMs auto-decree a bedroll or whatever, so just asking~)

I could go either way on that really. We are in the forest, so your paladin probably doesn't want to sleep on sticks and wet leaves (unless he's really stupid or a masochist); you probably do have camping gear. SpiderWrangler's dude probably doesn't; completely not sure about Nioca's fairy-forest-prince dude.

Are spices/seasonings listed anywhere in price? I swear there were somewhere, but I can't recall.

Those have no game effect, unless they're to serve as trade goods, which would be historically fitting. If you just want some common garlic or paprika or something to make your gruel taste okay, that falls under "storytelling" (also known as "flavor", though not usually this literal), and is completely okay.

Also is there cooking oil? There is flour, and there is all manner of cookware, but are we just assuming the oil used for lanterns is edible?

Probably not edible, no; someone might correct me on that, but I'm thinking somewhere between "tallow" and "citronella", probably not anything fun. I'm not sure medieval people cooked with oil all that much, other than butter (or olive oil in the Mediterranean area); when I think of cooking oil I think "deep-fried", which is definitely not in the milieu. In particular, the local druids and rangers might be nervous about you using significant quantities of flammeable liquids while hanging out in their woods. (I am now tempted to insist that you wear a Smokey the Bear hat in your were form...)

2) THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT. Oh lord, I am so serious there.

Well, I would like to see more activity, but it's not like I can stand over you with a digital whip and force you to post. The carrot is really the only approach that's effective online, so I simply try to make the game cool and hope the players will self-motivate.

2nded.

Well shucks. I'm just glad this all wasn't a waste of time. Anyway, feel free to start posting in the game thread whenever you're close to ready-ish.

(PS: Feytala and Through the Well, I've got a rough scenario for a game that you two could be in, so feel free to keep chiming in with your thoughts.)

[Amara]

Starting was 27 000, wasn't it?

I have a persistent terror of some player talking me into letting them have, say, a piece of chalk even though they've spent their last CP and can't afford it, and then later MacGuyvering a boss-killer bomb or something using the freebie. It shouldn't be hard for me to call shenanigans on such a thing if it actually happens, but I start gnawing my proverbial fingernails anytime players seem to be trying to be "clever".

As long as I'm sure you're just enriching the story, though, I can be more chill about it. Really, what I want is for the rules to *enforce* that you're just enriching the story, and can't gain a mechanical effect that you haven't "earned" (though sometimes being clever, genuinely rather than in quotes, is indeed an appropriate way to earn it).

I fullllyy understand. I'm not asking for freebies though, (just a price) and most of what I'm asking for is just for role play reasons. I don't mind spending a few extra copper or silver on it. C: ...and though cooking oil would still be flammable, I'd rather just use lantern oil if I MUST light something on fire, and that seems ill advised...in a forest.
I will admit it was hard to fight years of ingrained rogue 'instinct' though. 'Ooh, I may need this, and this--this could be usefu--why would Rían have any of this? Nevermind.'
Ahhh, I was actually rather sad survival wasn't a bear skill, too. Being able to reliably forage would have been wonderful.

Probably not edible, no; someone might correct me on that, but I'm thinking somewhere between "tallow" and "citronella", probably not anything fun. I'm not sure medieval people cooked with oil all that much, other than butter (or olive oil in the Mediterranean area); when I think of cooking oil I think "deep-fried", which is definitely not in the milieu. In particular, the local druids and rangers might be nervous about you using significant quantities of flammable liquids while hanging out in their woods.

http://www.godecookery.com/how2cook/how2cook.htm#top I do know oil was actually very commonly used! Though what type varied by region. Shhh I was the kid that had a million books on castles and stuff growing up, don't tell.
Ah, I've just been using this page haha.It'd likely be poppy oil I was looking for, though olive oil would be likely very common in climates right for it, as well.

I could go either way on that really. We are in the forest, so your paladin probably doesn't want to sleep on sticks and wet leaves (unless he's really stupid or a masochist); you probably do have camping gear. SpiderWrangler's dude probably doesn't; completely not sure about Nioca's fairy-forest-prince dude.

I've already purchased a tent and blanket, along with spare clothes. It was more a matter of curiosity on starting. If I don't have to pay for a bedroll I won't, but if I do have to, I don't mind, as they're cheap. xD

(I am now tempted to insist that you wear a Smokey the Bear hat in your were form...)

Oh dear.


Anyway, if I can justify some type of cooking oil, and a few spices, I'll price those in (whatever you think is fair), and I should be about done. C:

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I found spices! AND cooking oil! ...and about five million different kinds of flour, and virtually every single other cooking agent I might have asked about. Arms and Equipment Guide, P.31!
I joke about this now, but jokes with me have a strange tendency to become serious later. Oh lord. I wonder if there's an enchantment for containers that keeps food fresh...

[willpell]

Starting was 27 000, wasn't it?

No, we're ECL 9, so WBL is 36,000 gp (and starting XP is also 36,000; this is the only level where they're the same, after this gold increases MUCH faster than XP).

Ahhh, I was actually rather sad survival wasn't a bear skill, too. Being able to reliably forage would have been wonderful.

That is incredibly stupid. But there's a fair lot of that in the game, and I'm not yet ready to make any adjustments. I definitely recommend getting some cross-class skills in it, and maybe a competence item (+5 to any skill is 2500 gp, and you can flavor it more or less however you want, though it has to use a body slot or the price is doubled).

It'd likely be poppy oil I was looking for, though olive oil would be likely very common in climates right for it, as well.

Poppies, eh? scribble, scribble

I've already purchased a tent and blanket, along with spare clothes. It was more a matter of curiosity on starting. If I don't have to pay for a bedroll I won't, but if I do have to, I don't mind, as they're cheap. xD

I'll probably bitch about this in future because it wastes space on the charsheet, but for now I'm gonna be a dick and say you should cost it out. :/ :\

Oh dear.

For some reason this is perhaps the most hilarious response I could have imagined....

I found spices! AND cooking oil! ...and about five million different kinds of flour, and virtually every single other cooking agent I might have asked about. Arms and Equipment Guide, P.31!

God, I need to look at that book more often....

I joke about this now, but jokes with me have a strange tendency to become serious later. Oh lord. I wonder if there's an enchantment for containers that keeps food fresh..

Actually I don't know of the mechanics for it, but I've established that they exist in my gameworld so...heck with it, you can have *that* for free. Just assume that it magically only works on food, and is of indeterminate size (out-of-character that is; it has a fixed size but we're not going to establish what that is unless it matters for game purposes, in which case I'll decide the least inconvenient answer).