Reads_Forums wrote:Psimax isn't malevolent, until kin attacked him he had no intentions but to gather information on 156. He still probably has no ill feelings towards kin, he's completely detached in that way. If his goals coincide with 156 he'd help them again. If not he won't. Until now he didn't see any of the groups as enemies as he wasn't competing with them.
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It's a plausible outcome that their goals coincide, out of all the groups their is the one he has most interest in removing from the MoM.
Oh, yeah, he just wants some information - let's stay calm and talk to him! A small detail - he's ready to apply any kind of torture to get it. More to say - he knows exactly how to torture Kin in the most effective way (remember him testing the "love" theory? and now even worth - the leash).
Yes, he did help FMK before. To get some time to study the unknown variable. He was also sure they're gonna die in the tower room anyway. A rational decision. So it really is plausible - Psymax letting FMK go if he considers it to be rational. But this "if" is bothering me.
Reads_Forums wrote:I don't think engaging him verbally isn't a matter of tricking him, sometimes their goals coincide which is why he helped 156 before. Engage is logical debate, lead him to the conclusion that 156 makes the problem unsolvable (not unexpected with added recursion through time holes)and he'll get them out as fast as possible, after all he's failed 100s of times before and 156 have been in all of them
You put everything on this "coinciding goals" card. To win with this card there have to be two conditions. The first one, there really has to exist such a coinciding goal. You say Psymax would be glad to get rid of FMK? Remember
his words? "..That death would necessitate the recalculation of forty four relevant variables.." Imagine how much he'll have to recalculate when removing them from the maze. If it's even possible to recalculate it atm with all the mess. So this far we only have some weak speculations - and Kin has even less information!
The second condition - persuading Psymax that there is a coinciding goal. When you describe it it's so damn easy! Just like biting off Kin's tongue you've suggested before.
1. Int Psymax > Int Kin. Kin would also be not in the best mental shape because of being tortured during this
dialogue interrogation.
2. The leash. It makes Kin say only the truth (not an advantage when persuading someone in something).
3. The leash makes Kin do what Psymax orders. And when he orders he only to answer his questions there won't be an opportunity for her to persuade him in something.
4. FMK is short on time - Kin and Forgath were in a hurry, 'cause they expect Minmax to die in the tower room. So no time for long talks.
5. Wasn't Psymax's main goal to put everything (well, as much stuff as he can) to oblivion? That though should also be nagging when persuading him to spare your life.
Btw, he didn't fail the previous runs - he's been studying the maze. And in this run he started his oblivion engine.
As already said - you put everything on this card. Does it really give more chances to win, than trying to strangle Psymax when there was an opportunity for it? I seriously doubt that.