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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:13 pm

Of course, the best configuration is the one that uses the least rabbits and the least rabbits per bottle.

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Re: Riddles

Post by Zathyr » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:51 pm

With a cube of bottles, it would take even less. But that's 30 rabbits, and doesn't beat Game's 10. A binary search would take 11 bunnies, and more time.

Ah, but you can do it with just 2 bunnies! Here's how: you rub the two bunnies together to create static electricity. :D (Really a glass bottle and 1 bunny would be enough, but Bob said it wasn't 0 or 1, so..) Then it's just a simple matter of testing the conductivity of the liquid in each bottle. The liquid with a different conductivity is the poison! Plus you don't need to waste any water feeding them and you have 2 perfectly unpoisoned bunnies to eat as well.
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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:43 pm

Frankly, with the ten rabbits, you have to eliminate the possible water where all 10 rabbits drink, the 10 bottles of water where all but one rabbit drinks and 13 of the combinations where 8 rabbits drink. You might be able to find the poison with no rabbits drinking, though, as there's nothing that says the poison weighs the same as the water.

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:53 am

And the reason this works is that the bottles have two states, poison and water, making this a Base-2 problem. 2^1=2, 2^2=4, 2^3=8, 2^4=16, 2^5=32, 2^6=64, 2^7=128, 2^8= 256, 2^9=512, and 2^10=1,024, with 24 possibilities more than needed to figure out which bottle holds the poison if you use 10 rabbits.

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Re: Riddles

Post by I'mBob » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:51 am

gamecreator wrote:To detect poison we will need 10 bunnies. First, number those bottles from 1 to 1000 and bunnies from 0 to 9. Then for each bottle convert it's number to binary and give drink from that bottle only to those bunnies, whose number corresponds to "1" bit. For example, from bottle 984=1111011000 will drink bunnies 9,8,7,6,4,3. When bunnies will die from poison, reverse coding procedure: take numbers of dead bunnies and set corresponding bits to 1 and other bits to 0. Convert into decimal to get number of poisoned bottle.
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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:43 am

I see there is some activity besides me in solving math riddles here, so try this:

There is a sequence of 5 numbers: 2 9 2 9 2. You need to get 100 by placing braces and signs of arithmetic operations (+-*/^) around those numbers and processing resulting expression. All Any numbers can not be moved from their positions and must be delimited from each other by signs and/or braces.
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Re: Riddles

Post by BadgeAddict » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:09 pm

is is possible to use ( ), such as ((2*9)/2)(2+9)
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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:26 pm

All numbers can't? Does that mean some numbers can?

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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:41 pm

BadgeAddict wrote:is is possible to use ( ), such as ((2*9)/2)(2+9)
Yes, by braces i meant (). Also it is not possible for numbers to swap places.
Davecom3 wrote:All numbers can't? Does that mean some numbers can?
Any number can not be moved.
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Re: Riddles

Post by BadgeAddict » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:43 pm

gamecreator wrote:
BadgeAddict wrote:is is possible to use ( ), such as ((2*9)/2)(2+9)
Yes, by braces i meant ()

To reword this

NO, you cannot move any of the numbers.

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:32 pm

Can you use . or ^?

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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:43 pm

Oops, I messed things up. Yes, ^ is allowed.

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:46 pm

But adding a decimal isn't?

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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:49 pm

Adding decimal point is not allowed. Only operators and braces.

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Re: Riddles

Post by BadgeAddict » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:09 pm

To help your brain move in what i hope is the right direction. Here is an idea though it comes out wrong:

2*(9+2+9)*2=80

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:26 pm

(2/(9+2+9))^-2? This allowed?

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Post by BadgeAddict » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:28 pm

technically you put two symbols between the last 9 and 2 but its not my call. I also can't read.

I have my own question, can we take the square roots of numbers?

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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:42 pm

Davecom3 wrote:(2/(9+2+9))^-2? This allowed?
You need to put -2 in braces, everything else is correct. Your turn.
BadgeAddict wrote:technically you put two symbols between the last 9 and 2 but its not my call.
After reading this I thought I messed up again and somehow stated that there can be only one operator between numbers.
BadgeAddict wrote:I have my own question, can we take the square roots of numbers?
No, also I can't even imagine how that can be helpful.

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:49 pm

Actually, -2 really doesn't need parentheses.

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Re: Riddles

Post by gamecreator » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:56 pm

Whatever. But without them it looks a bit confusing.

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Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:26 pm

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Re: Riddles

Post by SamWiser » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:30 pm

A bow?
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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:34 pm

yes

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Re: Riddles

Post by SamWiser » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:39 pm

Yay, I got one!

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Re: Riddles

Post by Davecom3 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:42 pm

That one is rather simple, I'm afraid. It's coal, perhaps charcoal.

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