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24 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:14 am

preliminary permalink: [edit]http://www.goblinscomic.org/11192016-2/ http://www.goblinscomic.org/11242016/ [/edit]

Well, this page confuses me a bit in that I do not clearly see what's Minmax and Thaco's puppet play, and what is reality....

[edit2]edited title to reflect new comic publication date[/edit2]
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by nikohl » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:21 am

I would assume that all the stuff with Maxo Kickaxo is the puppet play - it being drawn as real-them first and then the "big reveal" that it's just puppets coming after Vorpal draws his own Oblivious. It's funny, I guess.

Maybe colours/shading will help make it a bit more obvious that the two are engrossed in their own little RPG in the corner - something to differentiate it from the real stuff.

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by LAYF » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:28 am

Hmm... Is it me or does MMs crown show magic powers (things are floating after all)
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Hjerne » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:37 am

Big Ears seer. Fumbles chief. Between two and four pages of argument about how Fumbles isn't chief material countered with how the seer is never wrong.

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by LAYF » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:43 am

Yeah
.... Problem is... There is already a chief.... :/
Long time ago we have seen him... But dies is still there...
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:37 am

Has the chiefing ceremony been finalised?
I thought not, because Dies refused...
They found out he does not have a chief: http://www.goblinscomic.org/06292012/
Then he refused becoming chief: http://www.goblinscomic.org/07132012/
Possibly the village did both ceremonies already, if they found out the war cap has been eradicated...
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Sessine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:46 am

In my opinion, there's only one possible choice for seer: Complains of Names! The logical person to nominate for chief would be Thaco.

And you're remembering wrong, LAYF. One of Dies' greatest moments, actually.
"We need you, DIes Horribly. Besides, don't you want history to remember you as a chief?"
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IIRC, Thaco as chief has a prophecy problem. Let me see if I can look up what we know about that.

Edit: Here's one bit, the page where Thaco talks about why he didn't accept the Chief role. http://www.goblinscomic.org/07142006/

Edit 2: Here it is -- the prophecy problem with Thaco was a foreseen civil war within the clan. That was avoided by appointing Chief, and he did serve to the best of his ability. The civil war was averted. So there is no current known obstacle to Thaco becoming chief now! http://www.goblinscomic.org/07142006/
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Sessine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:50 am

Krulle wrote:Has the chiefing ceremony been finalised?
I thought not, because Dies refused...
They found out he does not have a chief: http://www.goblinscomic.org/06292012/
Then he refused becoming chief: http://www.goblinscomic.org/07132012/
Possibly the village did both ceremonies already, if they found out the war camp has been eradicated...
Ah, you beat me to it! But I am pretty sure something as plot-significant as appointing a new chief for the tribe would not happen off-screen.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Glemp » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:27 pm

I assumed that since Chief marked Complains' face, he was endorsing him. It makes sense, since he's the next generation.

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by SamWiser » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:25 pm

I think a lot of us assumed that, but it's never been made a note of in-comic. That could be coming into play in the next few comics, though. I think that, if he listens to his dad and learns from him, Complains could make a good chief.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by spiderwrangler » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:49 pm

Doesn't the Seer name goblins? If Complains became the Seer, anyone he named would be his own fault!
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Sessine » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:33 pm

spiderwrangler wrote:Doesn't the Seer name goblins? If Complains became the Seer, anyone he named would be his own fault!
Exactly! That's why I think he should be the Teller. He has been preparing for this his whole life. He's had a critical opinion of everybody's name, forever. Now he finally gets the chance to do it right. :lol:
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by WearsHats » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:34 pm

nikohl wrote:I would assume that all the stuff with Maxo Kickaxo is the puppet play - it being drawn as real-them first and then the "big reveal" that it's just puppets coming after Vorpal draws his own Oblivious. It's funny, I guess.

Maybe colours/shading will help make it a bit more obvious that the two are engrossed in their own little RPG in the corner - something to differentiate it from the real stuff.
Yes, that is what's happening. Thunt tweaked the dialogue to hopefully make that clearer.

Cool little detail Thunt just pointed out in the livestream - the scars on Fumbles's forehead don't spell actual words in those panels. They approximate the words, but even that approximation changes from panel to panel. Because Minmax is leading the pretend play and Minmax can't read.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:26 am

I always found panel 3 clear. by content alone that is not Fumbles speaking. Although he gets more profound, but at that point he is not (being) involved at all in the "what to do" discussion...
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by nikohl » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:38 am

WearsHats wrote:
Cool little detail Thunt just pointed out in the livestream - the scars on Fumbles's forehead don't spell actual words in those panels. They approximate the words, but even that approximation changes from panel to panel. Because Minmax is leading the pretend play and Minmax can't read.
Now that's pretty cool. I hadn't noticed!

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Glemp » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:31 pm

Maybe that's also why Fumbles looks like Forgath in panel 6 with the bigger moustache and annoyed expression?

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by bobagorof » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:49 pm

I only just realised that Fumbles is wearing his moustache during the 'role play', but then we see it's on his figure and he's not wearing it at all. So that might be a good way of keeping track of what is real and what is role play.

Pity. It would have been cool for Senor Vorpal Kickasso to wield Oblivious :D

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Aegis J Hyena » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:46 pm

Now that the page has been colored it looks like Vorpal has his own Oblivious for a panel or two -- he reaches into the hole and...

This is... interesting.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:20 am

Krulle wrote:
I always found panel 3 clear. by content alone that is not Fumbles speaking. Although he gets more profound, but at that point he is not (being) involved at all in the "what to do" discussion...
Now it looks likeComplains of Names Thaco is talking.
So, panel 3 has been amended.

Also panel 7 has been amended: Before Complains of Names shouted "Shut up!"
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by nikohl » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:20 am

Aegis J Hyena wrote:Now that the page has been colored it looks like Vorpal has his own Oblivious for a panel or two -- he reaches into the hole and...

This is... interesting.
Yeah, but that's a visualisation of the little roleplaying game Vorpal and Minmax are playing.

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:00 am

Update notification: the glow to oblivious have been added.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Glemp » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:17 pm

I thought it was a bit odd that imaginary-MM and imaginary-Fumbles looked exactly like themselves apart from the lettering - since Thunt wants to speed up drawing, wouldn't it make sense to miss out details their minds wouldn't notice or make them more stylised and cartoony?

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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by WearsHats » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:42 pm

Fumble's mustache doesn't have the ties in the middle.
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by spiderwrangler » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:40 pm

Glemp wrote:I thought it was a bit odd that imaginary-MM and imaginary-Fumbles looked exactly like themselves apart from the lettering - since Thunt wants to speed up drawing, wouldn't it make sense to miss out details their minds wouldn't notice or make them more stylised and cartoony?
When has he ever done something the easy way?
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Re: 19 Nov 2016: mixing realities...

Post by Krulle » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:27 am

I'm wondering if he has copy-pasted the backgrounds...
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