22 July 2019 - Thudthump
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:48 pm
I guess Kin does not count?Krulle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:55 am Minmax to save the day! (prediction for one of the next pages)
Minmax is the only one who still did not use the helmet (or is about to immediately use it).
He'll be the last user, and he already packs quite a punch compared to the Goblins.
(But I fear he might be dumb enough to not take the helmet along into the next rooms, and just tosses it aside before leaving the room - which is only a relevant prediction if Kore somehow survives but is grappled by the statue when the GAP/MM leave)
OK, here's my fight analysis: After last fight, Kore was running away from the wall the Golem just slammed him in, straight towards the GAP. The Golem jumped him, and Kore lifted him up, still facing the GAP.Generic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:09 pm What is happening?
Kore tosses the Golem, to the side? In front of him? Behind him? The wall behind him is gone in a grey void so I got no sense of direction or distance anymore. Alright, I get the flippy cool tumbly monk part. But what is happening then? Thaco catches Kores arm and breaks the elbow? He blocks/catches it with his right arm, strikes Kores arm with a loud "CRACK" and show of pain from Kore, and then he swithes hands to hold it with his left?
Is Kore hurt? Was the CRACK the armor breaking? But it was in the Golem font? Why was half the page devoted to Thaco landing and so little used to explain the grapple, the helmet switch and the fact that Kore seems to hear them now? Kore is looking over the shoulder for the voices. Why is he charging the dungeon gimmick he just threw? AWAY from the place he knows the pilots to be?
Kin is not yet part of the group (she's still trapped in the silenced room), and furthermore not in this room. She can therefore not yet interfere in this fight, or Ellipsis would've to let her escape OFF-Panel while showing her getting trapped in sufficient detail to make it part of the story.Generic wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:07 amI guess Kin does not count?Krulle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:55 am Minmax to save the day! (prediction for one of the next pages)
Minmax is the only one who still did not use the helmet (or is about to immediately use it).
He'll be the last user, and he already packs quite a punch compared to the Goblins.
(But I fear he might be dumb enough to not take the helmet along into the next rooms, and just tosses it aside before leaving the room - which is only a relevant prediction if Kore somehow survives but is grappled by the statue when the GAP/MM leave)
MinMax and Forgath teleported into this plotline, and Kin did the same just a bit ago. I don't think that is off the table at this point.Krulle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:17 amKin is not yet part of the group (she's still trapped in the silenced room), and furthermore not in this room. She can therefore not yet interfere in this fight, or Ellipsis would've to let her escape OFF-Panel while showing her getting trapped in sufficient detail to make it part of the story.Generic wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:07 amI guess Kin does not count?Krulle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:55 am Minmax to save the day! (prediction for one of the next pages)
Minmax is the only one who still did not use the helmet (or is about to immediately use it).
He'll be the last user, and he already packs quite a punch compared to the Goblins.
(But I fear he might be dumb enough to not take the helmet along into the next rooms, and just tosses it aside before leaving the room - which is only a relevant prediction if Kore somehow survives but is grappled by the statue when the GAP/MM leave)
That would be rather bad writing.
Generic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:09 pm What is happening?
Kore tosses the Golem, to the side? In front of him? Behind him? The wall behind him is gone in a grey void so I got no sense of direction or distance anymore. Alright, I get the flippy cool tumbly monk part. But what is happening then? Thaco catches Kores arm and breaks the elbow? He blocks/catches it with his right arm, strikes Kores arm with a loud "CRACK" and show of pain from Kore, and then he swithes hands to hold it with his left?
Is Kore hurt? Was the CRACK the armor breaking? But it was in the Golem font? Why was half the page devoted to Thaco landing and so little used to explain the grapple, the helmet switch and the fact that Kore seems to hear them now? Kore is looking over the shoulder for the voices. Why is he charging the dungeon gimmick he just threw? AWAY from the place he knows the pilots to be?
This is not a good page I think. This is a fight scene and right now I don't know the location, direction or condition of the fighters. What is worse, I don't know the mood anymore. It stops the momentum from the previous page. Kore was pumped. He picked up the Golem over his head as if he was in a golem pillow fight. He was hulking up! Dice is cast and chips are down! It's purge all evil time!
And then it just grinds to a halt in an awkward grapple. Kore should be over them by know. Ears frantically putting on the helmet. Or realizing that this is something he needs to do personally. Whatever. Drama. Action. What Thaco does with his last action is less important. I already know Thaco is able to pull stunts like this. This only makes Kore seem distracted (when half of his thing is unearthly focus).
So what if he pulls the hand of his gauntlet at this point? They stopped his momentum already. Will him building it up again create more gravitas? We already know Kore is indestructable, so less armour does not really matter. The action has stopped, and nothing of great importance has been clearly conveyed. (Apart from Kore being grappled now. So what? He was grappled in the last page as well. He clearly showed us that did not matter. And the grappling got a whopping...Third of the page? Quarter of the page? Less than what the Golem landing got.)
And I still don't get it. The shield, and it's mechanism is gone now. Showing that strange strange lever... action... thing... did nothing. Ultimately it served no purpose. Noone foiled Kore by pulling it themselves. He never used it for anything interesting. He could as well just have popped up like he just did with the Golem. Or just not fall in the first place. The shield action was confusing and served no purpose.Hjerne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:43 am
Somebody recently tweeted that the Goblins fight scenes were even better than the rest of the comic. I would have to say the person tweeting that was raised on action movies that rely on closeups and quick cuts to make you think something exciting is happening even though you can't tell what is gong on until the fight is done. Remember when Kore used his shield mechanism to flip back to his feet and literally nobody knew what was going on until it was explained and the panel was redrawn to make it clearer? Eli has never quite gotten that even if she has a panoramic view in her head, we only have what is shown. Honestly in some of the fights just showing the characters eyeball closeup would convey as much information as the panel does.
Nobody has access to the teleorting tool (Jade Teapot) right now, so no teleporting.Generic wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:23 amMinMax and Forgath teleported into this plotline, and Kin did the same just a bit ago. I don't think that is off the table at this point.Krulle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:17 amKin is not yet part of the group (she's still trapped in the silenced room), and furthermore not in this room. She can therefore not yet interfere in this fight, or Ellipsis would've to let her escape OFF-Panel while showing her getting trapped in sufficient detail to make it part of the story.
That would be rather bad writing.
Yeah, I found that person tweeting also rather optimistic.Hjerne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:43 amSomebody recently tweeted that the Goblins fight scenes were even better than the rest of the comic. I would have to say the person tweeting that was raised on action movies that rely on closeups and quick cuts to make you think something exciting is happening even though you can't tell what is gong on until the fight is done. Remember when Kore used his shield mechanism to flip back to his feet and literally nobody knew what was going on until it was explained and the panel was redrawn to make it clearer? Eli has never quite gotten that even if she has a panoramic view in her head, we only have what is shown. Honestly in some of the fights just showing the characters eyeball closeup would convey as much information as the panel does.
Literally all of grappling in 3.5e was awkward. So it fits perfectly to me.Generic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:09 pm And then it just grinds to a halt in an awkward grapple. Kore should be over them by know. Ears frantically putting on the helmet. Or realizing that this is something he needs to do personally. Whatever. Drama. Action. What Thaco does with his last action is less important. I already know Thaco is able to pull stunts like this. This only makes Kore seem distracted (when half of his thing is unearthly focus).
That's genius. I really hope that happens.TheOneThatGotAway wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:30 am And then speculation: Big Ears will slam the helmet on Kore's head, who will get disoriented, see himself stand far away in an opposite corner of the room, being stabbed, kicked, punched, magicked by a savage group of four little goblins, while we see the Golem contort in painful expressions, until it ends up sprawled out on the floor.
Honestly, I'm always a bit surprised that people complain about Eli's battles scenes as much as they do. Every one is fully entitled to their own opinions, but, to me, it's just a comic. Let your imagination fill in the details. You got the point that Kore used a mechanism of his shield to flip himself back onto his feet. That's all you need. Doesn't matter how it works or why it works, it just does because the DM said it worked. Likewise, in this one, you get the concept that Kore is in battle with the golem and by the end is grappled because Thaco stated as such. Why do the pictures ALWAYS have to tell the full story? Who cares if they don't make perfect sense. D&D doesn't make sense a lot of the time. Just my 2 cents. I know it's not going to change people who love to dissect every frame and find all of Eli's tiny little details (and, in turn, the errors), but imagination has to come into play a little bit for this.Hjerne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:43 am Somebody recently tweeted that the Goblins fight scenes were even better than the rest of the comic. I would have to say the person tweeting that was raised on action movies that rely on closeups and quick cuts to make you think something exciting is happening even though you can't tell what is gong on until the fight is done. Remember when Kore used his shield mechanism to flip back to his feet and literally nobody knew what was going on until it was explained and the panel was redrawn to make it clearer? Eli has never quite gotten that even if she has a panoramic view in her head, we only have what is shown. Honestly in some of the fights just showing the characters eyeball closeup would convey as much information as the panel does.
It's not so much what is missing, but what is happening and where the story goes.Rooks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:55 am Honestly, I'm always a bit surprised that people complain about Eli's battles scenes as much as they do. Every one is fully entitled to their own opinions, but, to me, it's just a comic. Let your imagination fill in the details. You got the point that Kore used a mechanism of his shield to flip himself back onto his feet. That's all you need. Doesn't matter how it works or why it works, it just does because the DM said it worked. Likewise, in this one, you get the concept that Kore is in battle with the golem and by the end is grappled because Thaco stated as such. Why do the pictures ALWAYS have to tell the full story? Who cares if they don't make perfect sense. D&D doesn't make sense a lot of the time. Just my 2 cents. I know it's not going to change people who love to dissect every frame and find all of Eli's tiny little details (and, in turn, the errors), but imagination has to come into play a little bit for this.
I had a long explanation of artists knowing their weak points but you probably would have ignored it because it conflicts with your beliefs, so let's put it this way.Zeus1976 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:44 pm I don't understand how people are finding this difficult to follow.
Kore throws golem, which Thac0 uses his monk skills to acrobatics right himself, he gets into his stance, angry kore charges and slap bang wallop. Kore is then grappled.
As another user has said use imagination to fill in any blanks.
Cool. Then you tell me:Was Kore's arm or arm-armour just broken? Both? None?Zeus1976 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:44 pm I don't understand how people are finding this difficult to follow.
Kore throws golem, which Thac0 uses his monk skills to acrobatics right himself, he gets into his stance, angry kore charges and slap bang wallop. Kore is then grappled.
As another user has said use imagination to fill in any blanks.
This IS a different medium.Hjerne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:24 pmI had a long explanation of artists knowing their weak points but you probably would have ignored it because it conflicts with your beliefs, so let's put it this way.Zeus1976 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:44 pm I don't understand how people are finding this difficult to follow.
Kore throws golem, which Thac0 uses his monk skills to acrobatics right himself, he gets into his stance, angry kore charges and slap bang wallop. Kore is then grappled.
As another user has said use imagination to fill in any blanks.
You are watching the subway fight in the Matrix. You see the back and forth advantage gaining. Neo gets hit back to the base of the stairs, the scene cuts to him lying in the chair and spitting blood. Cut back to him standing up and giving Smith the 'come get it' gesture. But instead of continuing the fight it cuts back to Neo,Trinity, and Tank. Neo thrashes around in the chair a bit and then it cuts back to the subway with Smith holding Neo in a headlock in front of the oncoming train. Are you satisfied filling in the blanks yourself? Or would you rather the choreographer continued the amazing job they were previously doing and told you how the two of them got from point A to point B?
Could be. We already know he is talking to himself.iffi wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:03 am Hi to all you good people! A short while ago someone here asked why Kore was suddenly able to talk without any problems. After re-re-re-rereading the current comic it occurred to me that is it actually the other mouths around his head that are uttering this ..Kk..K..KK.. thing? So Kore is a stoic silent type of (insert your guess what he actually is) and those other mouths keep trying to say something.. What are they trying to say though? Just ..Kore? Seems anticlimatic. Or perhaps Klease Kelease Ks Krom Khis Kurse Knd Ket Ks Kest Kn Kease? Or what?