Constructive criticism

[seawied]

I find it laughable that this page is stemming from a BWW page and is trying to write itself off as "constructive criticism".
The BWW outlines criticism likes shallow main characters (I respectfully disagree), poor coloring (early on, sure), being overtly verbose to make a point about humanity (again, I don't feel its overdone, but I can respect your opinion on this one)... but again, this is not why the BWW is trash.

Its the giant headline labeling Thunt as a homophobe, a racist, a misogynist, and a bigot. In America, Thunt would be well within his legal rights to file a tort against BWW for libel.

While I am not very active on the forums at all, I have been following Mr. Hunt's twitter, live streaming, and blog for some time. Nowhere has Tarol ever made bigoted comments about women, gays, or minorities. The page entirely fails to supply any sort of evidence to support the idea that Mr. Hunt is a bigot.

BWW is not only mean-spirited, but calling Tarol Hunt a bigoted "giant douche", whose actions are "Rampant displays of racism, sexism, homophobia and/or other forms of bigotry and douchebaggery" is legally considered fighting words in America and is grounds for a civil lawsuit.

[Davis8488]

Yeah I mentioned that in the forum thread about the page itself. I got some comments about it being used to lighten the tone, but no-one jumped on me for criticising there. Seems like we can get away with it

Shun! Shun the unbeliever!

[Wolfie]

Seawied, while we do respect your opinion and right to it, name-calling is frowned upon. This is not the place to let off steam on your personal views of BWW. Please refrain from this sort of behavior as it exactly what BWW has been complaining of with our members.

[Guus]

I actually feel like these pages are pretty constructive. Not all of it, sure, but I'm pleasantly surprised.

[seawied]

Seawied, while we do respect your opinion and right to it, name-calling is frowned upon. This is not the place to let off steam on your personal views of BWW. Please refrain from this sort of behavior as it exactly what BWW has been complaining of with our members.

Criticizing a webpage for libel is equivalent to name-calling now? That is an incredibly thin-skinned point of view you have.

[spiderwrangler]

Seawied, while we do respect your opinion and right to it, name-calling is frowned upon. This is not the place to let off steam on your personal views of BWW. Please refrain from this sort of behavior as it exactly what BWW has been complaining of with our members.

Criticizing a webpage for libel is equivalent to name-calling now? That is an incredibly thin-skinned point of view you have.

I think it was the referring to the community/site as 'trash'...

[nikohl]

Yes, 'laughable' and 'trash' were the terms we were hoping you'd try to avoid using to refer to others going forwards, seawied, for the sake of keeping things relatively friendly here - it was not the implication of libel that was the issue.

It's not "don't criticise the page" or "don't think those things about the page", it's more... think what you like, and criticise in language that won't spark off a confrontation? That way we don't find ourselves having to step into the middle of a fight later, when someone is offended and says something back, and things escalate, and so on.

[SeeAMoose]

I think they've gotten bored with us

Considering how little this thread actually had to do with constructive criticism, should we perhaps rename it?

[Sessine]

Nah. Leave it as is. This thread is a perfect example of something-or-other. "How to respond to a challenge like adults," perhaps. It just wouldn't be the same without the title.

[thinkslogically]

Nah, I'd leave it as it is. Changing the title will only lead to someone complaining about abuse of mod powers in the future and I suspect you guys don't need the headache

[nikohl]

Besides, Constructive Criticism was the header under which the OP asked "hey do you guys even allow this because I've heard you're against it", and that question was answered, with some ancillary debate from various angles and some actual critique for good measure.

I think the thread served its purpose and the title's still fitting. Whether OP is going to come back and offer any more constructive criticism in the thread or whether his curiosity has been satisfied is yet to be seen, same goes for anyone else from BWW who popped over at the same time.

I'm not sure this should or will ever be a/the "come here and offer CC" thread, because anyone who wants to critique has to wade through a few pages of BWW/GFF back and forth quibbling first, which is a bit off-putting for someone who just wants to see if anyone else has brought up X thing or Y thing. But the title's not exactly wrong.

[thinkslogically]

We used to have a thread for CC at some point I'm sure, but it died a death somewhere along the line. Probably when the comic went on hiatus I suppose, but I can't remember. That could always be resurrected if it's wanted, but the individual comic discussion threads seem to be doing fine.

[Guus]

During the hiatus we had two threads that were filled with speculation and criticism: the twitter thread and one other.
Criticism happens page per page though, so it seems kind of double to have a different thread for it. However, this thread can stay the way it is if you ask me.

[Wolfie]

Agreed. Criticism generally happens per page instead of in a single thread, but this one is important in that we had ambassadors from another land try to make contact. We'll leave it up for posterity and in case they'd like to come back and reopen channels of communication.

[RocketScientist]

I don't quite understand what they wanted. Did the first guy just want to know "yes, you can make non-hostile negative statements, and Thunt welcomes truly constructive criticism" and then he was happy? Or...?

What is the point of a specific criticism thread? So they can read down every complaint ever, and go "Yeah! I'm still mad about that!" So they can check up if Thunt is "fixing" everything they've complained about? Do they want to complain about things not-related to the current comic? Make personal complaints about Thunt in an author basing thread (I challenge them to find any comic's official forum that permits author-bashing)? Or...?

And why do they feel like they need to complain vociferously over here? They have an entire forum that they seem to like, and which appears to be dedicated to how bad things are. I mean, it's more or less named Bad Things. Do they just need more validation?

Some mysteries may never be solved. I hope they're happy with their new information, though.

[Xavier78]

How is it hard to figure out what he wanted? Really? He spells it out plain as day. He heard "rumors" that some on this forum worshiped Hunt like a God and would tear any one who criticized him or Goblins to pieces and he was curious if it was true. It really isn't that hard to figure out if you bothered to pay attention. Pretty sure his curiosity and questions were answered so I doubt he has reason to return, but I wouldn't know. Why even bother question it? Why bother posting sarcastic comments and snark if this is supposedly a "nice" place to discuss things? He made a topic on a forum, which is exactly what a forum is for last I checked. This wouldn't even be an issue if he didn't mention what forum he drifted over from.

[Sessine]

There is no collective 'them'. It was just a few people who'd been reading that site (some not for very long, even) who decided to come over here and check us out. Some were curious, some a bit suspicious, some expecting the worst, but when nobody here responded angrily and instead just engaged on the points they made, and agreed with some of them... well. Anyone who was looking for blood sport didn't get it, and anyone who simply wanted a few questions answered went away after they got their answers.

As for the idea of a specific 'criticism' thread, that's just because they didn't know the way things are done here. Now they do.

Namely, everyone here criticizes whenever the thought crosses their minds -- in a comic discussion thread if it's just about one page, in a separate thread if it's a point that spans many pages or chapters -- and nobody thinks anything much of it. We talk about it, at considerable length. Some people agree, some disagree, others point out entirely new perspectives on the issue. That sort of thing is a large part of why I like to hang out here. We don't want a single dedicated thread because that would be downsizing our critiques!

[nikohl]

Someone's got their grumpy hat on this afternoon.

[thinkslogically]

OHMYGODBABYDUCKLINGAVATAR!!

[RocketScientist]

Wow. Attitude. This it's why I avoided this thread, for the most past. Bitchy people. Classy, Xavier. I wasn't snarking. I was asking a question, because, no, I didn't read the thread. It got really negative, and I was really not interested in hearing it.

Edit: Thanks, Sessine. That was helpful.