april -23 2013 Tight Leash

[Kelten]

Well... that wasn't what I expected

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[Veya]

Well... I officially hate PsiMax, taking Kin leash is the worst thing anyone could do to her, and he probably knows that.

Unless his line of thought is "Doesn't matter, she won't exist in a few minutes anyway...", which is pretty much way worse...

[SamWiser]

I know that Thunt is an awesome storyteller, and he wouldn't make us read all of this for nothing, but I really can't see any way that they can come back from this. It's over.

[Tarnagh]

Did PsyMax just destroy all 3 keys? Doesn't that mean it's now impossible for any group to win and the maze will reset all of them?

I think I now hate PsyMax more than "Goblin Slayer" and I didn't believe that was possible.

[napslikecat]

Considering how many times they have gone through the maze, the fact that this time around appears in the comic is an indication that this is their final time. And with the odds of Thunt getting rid of all 3 characters at this point being close to zero, I say they get out somehow.

I can see Psimax going to check out Minmax out of curiosity, due to Oblivion and its effects on his calculations. When you can crumple walls, a mere closed door is nothing.

[WearsHats]

... Holy crap.

That's. I don't even want to say what that is.

I really hope Forgath manages to stop him while he's distracted. Or something.

This page hits hard.

As for the keys (which now seem a small thing), there's probably another way through. Opening an oblivion hole in the lock might do it. Or the maze might react to having the keys destroyed. We'll see.

I'm actually kind of in shock right now.

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[I'mBob]

So anyone have an idea of what is going to happen now? How would they get out of this situation?

I believe Forgath will use his dwarven laser to kill PsyMax and destroy the glass.

[Corpsificus]

I say Minmax 156 is going to kill the crap (cleaned up) out of Psimax. Maybe a drop in an oblivion hole would be appropriate. It is not a usual method to get us attached to characters like these to kill them all. "The world sucks and everyone dies horribly including the character with the name" is a depressing story method.

[RocketScientist]

I hope Minmax gets to beat the crap out of Psimax before we leave. I wonder if Psions go through windows as well as half-tree crazy people.

[ActsStupidly]

I'm thinking Cleric spells FTW.

But honestly a dual cast Telekinesis... Likely with a high save DC from his probably 25+ Int... I'd like to see this one's character sheet.

[Aegis J Hyena]

Ok, that Minmax is officially a Dink. When "our" Minmax gets done with him, he's going to be broken into so many pieces we're going to need to invent new words to describe just how many pieces he's been broken into.

Our Minmax is still under his Rage. I bet he hears Kin scream from trying to avoid being controlled by the Leash, and breaks through the ceiling. Barring that, the psion either gets thrown headfirst into an Oblivion Hole, or he'll end up tearing the Leash off, finding that it wasn't rigged to explode, then Kin finishes him off... CRA-SNAP!!

I do like the "traded in the ability to control minds" bit. Even among the multiple realities, some things just forever stay the same.

[Krulle]

Minmax could always try to find the hole in the floor made by that oblivion hole where the zombies are and reclimb through that one.

[Kide]

Poor Kin.... =/ Well hard to imagine how they will make it, but i suppose psimax will be too curious of our minmax, and maybe he is then able to surprise him with oblivious. That's at least something that I could think of happening.

[Gkom]

Hey. new to the forum.
I was wandering what exactly was the class of psymax. don't know if that topic was discussed yet or not but that seems fairly interesting to me.
So, what do you think? what class and level?

[WearsHats]

Welcome to the forums.

Psimax is a Psion. Rules for that can be found at the D20 SRD.

We don't know his level. We do know that our FMK hit level 3 while in the Maze and that Psimax remembers replaying the maze over 800 times, which would have given him ample opportunity to gain experience (and thus levels). However, as he leveled, he'd get less and less XP for killing level 3 characters. So, unless he had another source of XP (monsters in the maze, defeating traps, etc.), it would be harder and harder to level up as he replayed the maze.

That's as much as we know. As for the rest, your guess is as good as mine.

[Gkom]

which makes you wander: does replaying the MoM while remembering it makes you accumulate XP? it seems that the maze resets itself with all the experience given, items found and so on returning to the state it was when each party entered the maze. Why would the XP of psimax be any different? Because his memories remain? I don't think it works like that...

[Mithcoriel]

I'm beginning to suspect the person who says "Hey Names, remember me?" is Psimax. Dunno why...

[WearsHats]

which makes you wander: does replaying the MoM while remembering it makes you accumulate XP? it seems that the maze resets itself with all the experience given, items found and so on returning to the state it was when each party entered the maze. Why would the XP of psimax be any different? Because his memories remain? I don't think it works like that...

The difference is that he destroys his counter at the beginning of each reset. This allows his body to reset while keeping his memories (and thus the XP he earned) of the previous run(s).

[GathersIngredients]

Did PsyMax just destroy all 3 keys? Doesn't that mean it's now impossible for any group to win and the maze will reset all of them?

Erm, not if the "key that winks" still exists. See the little black line under the doorframe in panel 8? Maybe the correct key has always been in the keyhole all the time already. (This is not my find, someone else pointed it out earlier in some other thread. I'm just remembering it.) Invisible, but there, thus the "wink"...

Also, even without the fitting key it might be possible to get past the door in some way. (Lockpicking, disassembly of the hinges, breaking down the door/wall next to the door, digging a tunnel through the floor/ceiling ...)
People just usually use keys, because a) it's faster and b) they don't want to damage the building/door/lock.
I don't remember the comic saying anywhere that the winner would have to have/use the right key. But since the first one in the right circle wins, speed USUALLY is of the essence (in all the other maze runs).

*goes and looks some stuff up*
In fact, the writing on the walls in the tower room doesn't say anywhere which door the key will fit into, if any. (At least not the bits we, the readers, get to see.) Just that by picking the right key "up you goes". And "up" they (F&K) already are.
And the "winning room" only talks about entering the circles. No keys ever mentioned.

[gamecreator]

If that key with eye is needed to open the door, they might have one more left.

[WastesTime]

I'm beginning to suspect the person who says "Hey Names, remember me?" is Psimax. Dunno why...

Gods, no! I know the name of the comic is "Goblins", but killing off Minmax, Forgath and Kin would be waaay to cruel. Thunt is not George R.R. Martin... I hope...

[Insane Kitty]

Does Forgath have Remove Curse? Because now would be as good as a time as any to try to cast that on the leash. (Psimax would never expect that either)

I wonder if Kin is able to make a save on the leash? Then crush Psimax before he can react.

[I'mBob]

Just to make people sure, they wont be entering through breaking the door: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02222013/

Also, I get a feeling there is gong to be a character switch soon.

[OldLion]

What I see coming is Psymax deciding that the "love" factor is too unpredictable, and to have the FKM group ousted by victory in order to be able to perform his oblivion business without perturbation.

Because as long as our group is here, (even dead, probably), there will be unexpected difficulties of all kind.

[Aegis J Hyena]

What I see coming is Psymax deciding that the "love" factor is too unpredictable, and to have the FKM group ousted by victory in order to be able to perform his oblivion business without perturbation.

Because as long as our group is here, (even dead, probably), there will be unexpected difficulties of all kind.

If that were the case, Psimax would ignore them entirely, letting them go. He hasn't.