Tests and Trials OOC
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Re: Tests and Trials OOC
Edit sorry about that Misread something
What level would this character start out at?
What level would this character start out at?
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To quickly summarise things, we have a cleric, a paladin, a rogue (archer), and Burns is on their own as a wizard. Thinks is away as a monk. So, seems like you can pretty much take any class and it'll be good.
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Hunters of Letrua; Character list
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My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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Jaq, Lurn and Kroshav are now officially level 5. Missed saying that after the luncheon.
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Re: Tests and Trials OOC
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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Re: Tests and Trials OOC
I have updated everyone's proficiency, Jaq's stealth skill is +11 now? Geez.
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Jeez, what's even going on with Jaq's proficiency bonuses, they're all over the place. 2s and 4s and 6s and only a single 3, it's chaos. And he's getting proficiency bonuses to Survival and Nature even though neither is marked as having proficiency? This sheet is so drunk. In fact, I think Lurn's page is the only one where proficiency is working right for the skills.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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Jaq's sheet is a mess because = rogue. He has expertise in deception and stealth that doubles his prof. bonus. He gets prof. in nature and survival from his archetype. I am also trying to remember what other bonuses he has.
I try to check these numbers but looks like I need to do a sweep up...
Edit: Looks like the sheet was never made for characters to get to level 5 and doesn't allow for a prof. of greater than 2 . Fixed it for everyone that needed it fixed. Also fixed the unusable 'Other modifier' row so it now allows additions.
I try to check these numbers but looks like I need to do a sweep up...
Edit: Looks like the sheet was never made for characters to get to level 5 and doesn't allow for a prof. of greater than 2 . Fixed it for everyone that needed it fixed. Also fixed the unusable 'Other modifier' row so it now allows additions.
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At least Jaq is at a nice consistent 3 and 6 now, rather than being all over the place.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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I guess I'll have to look at his sheet! Thanks for updating it, that would probably have taken me half the day to do and probably not correctly.
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Cavalier? Or just likes her horse...
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Speculating on your character's class, the fighter cavalier archetype is really good at mounted combat. But in looking at the sheet, I see you indeed went with paladin.
Kroshav loves his horse too, but Charlie's been put to work by the army.
Kroshav loves his horse too, but Charlie's been put to work by the army.
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Well smart paladins know to work for the army...that way when the quartermaster comes around they see the horse already has an officer on it!
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Well, Kroshav is far from smart, but Charlie got conscripted while he was away.
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Re: Tests and Trials OOC
So, the shadow things are Undead (As should have been expected, considering they serve the "Lord of The Undead." Unfortunately, judging by their attacks not draining people, they're not just Shadows. I'm planning to use my own Turn Undead when this one wears off, but if we were so lucky as for these to be Shadows, with their CR1/2, Turn Undead would be able to kill them outright.
Then again, considering Ygar is at least level 13, to know Regeneration, and Faylin is probably around the same with them both being temple heads, it just wouldn't be fair to pit us against CR1/2 undead. Actually, taking that into account, if Ygar and Faylin are both only level 13, these things have to be at least CR3. CR4+ if they're above that.
That said, I don't understand how CR works, for all I know the sensible thing would be for us to be fighting enemies with a CR over our level.
Then again, considering Ygar is at least level 13, to know Regeneration, and Faylin is probably around the same with them both being temple heads, it just wouldn't be fair to pit us against CR1/2 undead. Actually, taking that into account, if Ygar and Faylin are both only level 13, these things have to be at least CR3. CR4+ if they're above that.
That said, I don't understand how CR works, for all I know the sensible thing would be for us to be fighting enemies with a CR over our level.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
- spiderwrangler
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Re: Tests and Trials OOC
CR is only a general guide for building encounters, iirc, they recommend using XP budget as the metric of an encounter, as it's less simplified. CR gets you in the neighborhood, then you can use XP budget to get it dialed in to the difficulty you want. CR sort of assumes it's 1 monster vs a party of 4 PCs, but once you start adding monsters, it doesn't always behave linearly.
The example I've used to illustrate that point is a thought experiment where you have a level 2 fighter in a room of cats.
It's entirely possible that the things we are facing are at a CR above our level, especially since we have some higher level NPCs on our side. Can get trickier to balance fights with very different levels on one side without the lower level folks getting one-shot. In order for it to be nasty enough to challenge the higher level folks, it's probably going to be out-matching the lower level. Of course, makes it somewhat easier when it's not PCs of different levels.
The example I've used to illustrate that point is a thought experiment where you have a level 2 fighter in a room of cats.
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I swear you've spoken about this before, and I just didn't remember it. But yeah, there can't really be a perfect scale to balance all encounters.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
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My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
- Rodgeir
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Actually, I think I will change this encounter now. Seems like 80 cats should get the job done.
You can give me an intelligence roll (or religion since that is his religion) if you want to try and identify them Dlover. Lurn and Kroshav know they are not shadows having recently met some.
Your group normally, without NPCs, was hard to plan fights for as two characters were significantly stronger. As people have leveled and gotten better gear that has become less of an issue. CR has never been a good indicator but adjusted XP is normally closer.
You can give me an intelligence roll (or religion since that is his religion) if you want to try and identify them Dlover. Lurn and Kroshav know they are not shadows having recently met some.
Your group normally, without NPCs, was hard to plan fights for as two characters were significantly stronger. As people have leveled and gotten better gear that has become less of an issue. CR has never been a good indicator but adjusted XP is normally closer.
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Oh, Rodgeir. Dear, dear, Rodgeir. You should know by now that our religious boys don't know anything about religion. For instance: Int / Religion: 1D20-1 = [3]-1 = 2
Lurn will never know anything about religion. He has a lot of faith, his heart's in the right place, but he is just really terrible at knowing things.
Lurn will never know anything about religion. He has a lot of faith, his heart's in the right place, but he is just really terrible at knowing things.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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Well they aren't zombie cats, skeletons, shadows or vampires. Beyond that... who knows?
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Probably undead demons of some sort. If it's unknown, the answer is always demon. Just like those spider things. Everything is demons.
My game:
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
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My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
Hunters of Letrua; Character list
Also Player / Monster stats, skill lists.
My characters:
Tugs Tails, the goblin that was sort of a trapper and wears a bear's tail at his neck, for some reason - Lair of the Mountain King (Run by Thinks)
Alex Sparo, A city boy, poor of sight, who has learned to manipulate people and make the most of what he, and others, have - Trinity Isles (Run by Mort)
Mehriv Turajin, a Noble Dragonborn Sorcerer sent from his clan because he wasn't dragony enough. - The Wandering Archipelago (Run by Thinks)
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Well all things considered in the current situation, Lurn's go to guess is rather more reasonable.
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Apparently Rodgeir buys his demons in bulk at IKEA...its a secret part of the store...