april -23 2013 Tight Leash

[Changes_everything]

Well, with the keys destroyed, when they've defeated PsiMax, Kin will surely think of those keys. Or Forgath. Minmax will probably run his head against the wall one more time, but that's that.

[CelineSSauve]

Hmm.. how about...
The maze DO reset... BUT.. an oblivion hole has eaten MFK groups Counter!!!!
O_O

*dies laughing* That would be very cool, though I still support the idea that the whole Maze is reset, including the Oblivion Holes and any of their effects on the Maze or people in the Maze.

[Krulle]

Here's the best picture of the chest
Here, my theory again:

This chest has a hidden compartment, maybe by turning the keys into the other direction you can open the double locks at the bottom. Why do I believe that? Well:


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Enough for a theory, what do you think?

The chest here shows the keys going somewhere completely else....

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I don't think the three black dots below are even large enough for the keybits.
See the size of the key behind the Intelligence Attribute Shield?
The keybit is larger than the dots below the handles.... And that while the chest is standing closer than the attribute shields....

The black dots just might be "stoppers" for the handles which actually open the locks when the keys are in position. Although it IS weird, that the leftmost handle has not been turned to open the chest. (@THunt: continuity error?) The other handles could have been turned by the PipeMax, ScorpiKin and UndeadForgath group.

[CelineSSauve]

The black dots just might be "stoppers" for the handles which actually open the locks when the keys are in position. Although it IS weird, that the leftmost handle has not been turned to open the chest. The other handles could have been turned by the PipeMax, ScorpiKin and UndeadForgath group.

I'm relatively certain that's what Changes_everything was implying, only his theory is that if all four were turned, there is another part of the chest which would also open up.

It would also be strange if this were the solution since, clearly (if the number of doors to the Tower Room are any indication), we are not to think that all groups went through the chest's room.

[Krulle]

"Stoppers" in the sense of "positioning the handle at an end point while the chest is locked. No way to turn the handles past this point in the "wrong" direction."

"The handle rests against them in unused position."
"Smear marks from the handle being in that position for virtual eternity."
"Magic marking to reset the handles during Maze reset."

In any case, it is weird that the "yellow" handle has not been turned after the yellow key freed the yellow handle.

[Changes_everything]

The black dots just might be "stoppers" for the handles which actually open the locks when the keys are in position. Although it IS weird, that the leftmost handle has not been turned to open the chest. The other handles could have been turned by the PipeMax, ScorpiKin and UndeadForgath group.

I'm relatively certain that's what Changes_everything was implying, only his theory is that if all four were turned, there is another part of the chest which would also open up.

It would also be strange if this were the solution since, clearly (if the number of doors to the Tower Room are any indication), we are not to think that all groups went through the chest's room.

How do you know that not every group gets to pass through such a room? Early on in the run, so few would ever take those keys with them? Force them to return for the keys?

Plus, that picture supports my theory: The boards on the left do not line up either.



The keys go somewhere else, true of course - but still, the part with the keyholes is linked to the upper, known split section as well as to the lower part. The mechanism could be simple.

[DrinksTooMuchCoffee]

Yeah, I really don't want another year or two of FMK in the maze, so I'm not in favor of it resetting. I vote for getting out soon.

[CelineSSauve]

Yeah, I really don't want another year or two of FMK in the maze, so I'm not in favor of it resetting. I vote for getting out soon.

Thunt basically stated in the chat that we were nearing GAP.

[Jon Snow]

Has anybody actually seen any of the "eye" keys wink? I mean they have eyes but doesn't mean they can wink, and if not...

Someone mentioned that perhaps they have to wink in the hole but that's probably a bit too anti-climatic.

The most plausible answer and I'm stealing others' ideas is that Psimax will teleport MM up after Kin reveals where he is. Oblivious is the key to destroying Psimax as Psimax can't manipulate the sword. He can move MM but perhaps in his state of shock there will be panic from Psimax which gives MM an opening.

Also, at the moment, we don't actually know what MM's armour actually does. Sure it changes colour but what else? +3? Resistant to magic/psionic abilities?

[Orzahn]

Wendy Pini's definition of evil is "the inability to love" (described as that by Savah to Suntop in her Elfquest comic)

Jon Irenicus, Baldurs Gate 2

Elfquest: 1978
Baldur's Gate II: 2000

Gee, wonder which one said it first?

Insulted :S??

It's not about who said it first (Jon Irenicus never actually said it) He was the main antagonist, and unable to feel love, and therefore tortured people trying to find this indeterminable thing. He also tried to find out who all the children of Baal where. I quoted you because I found it funny how applicable your elfwood quote was to Jon Irenicus...

[Liesmith]

Wendy Pini's definition of evil is "the inability to love" (described as that by Savah to Suntop in her Elfquest comic)

Jon Irenicus, Baldurs Gate 2

Elfquest: 1978
Baldur's Gate II: 2000

Gee, wonder which one said it first?

Actually, William Shakesman said it first, in 1623. You can look it up.

...but don't look it up.

[RocketScientist]

In regards to that spoiler, I have theory (that it's a demon...a psychic demon! No, something isn't right, there), but it's also a spoiler:

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I think the nature of Psimax's arms will render him unable to use the leash as intended. He'll let his guard down and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGS!

I think they're all going to burst into song, and defeat Psimax with a musical number. And then...

Minmax: How can I repay...
Kin: Whatever

[SamWiser]

This may be a stupid question, but when did Kin get that rip in her coat. I don't remember it happening. Does anybody remember?

[Sizemore Rockwell]

This may be a stupid question, but when did Kin get that rip in her coat. I don't remember it happening. Does anybody remember?

I think it was from the downward growing trees.

[Liesmith]

This may be a stupid question, but when did Kin get that rip in her coat. I don't remember it happening. Does anybody remember?

She didn't have it in the final panel of this page: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02122013/
But she has it on the first panel of the next page: http://www.goblinscomic.com/02152013/

So, I'm guessing a zombie tore her sleeve, but fell into an oblivion hole shortly afterward, so we never saw it.

[Lee]

This may be a stupid question, but when did Kin get that rip in her coat. I don't remember it happening. Does anybody remember?

I think it was from the downward growing trees.

Yes, you can see it being torn in the 6th and 7th panels of this page:http://www.goblinscomic.com/04132012/
And you can tell for sure she has it on this page:http://www.goblinscomic.com/04242012/

[Alvarin]

I have checked again and the intelligence shield key is NOT the same as the presumably one that winks.
They are VERY close, but on the old key the smaller part is closer to the eye, while on the newer one it's on the other side...

[hammershisfinger]

Hi, re-registered on the forum to post my idea:

"When the serpent becomes your prey, friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate" - Kin asks Forgath to cast "remove curse" on the leash to blow up PsiMax. He hesistates but she insists. Finally, He does it just as our MM enters the room somehow and sees Kin blown to pieces. This triggers MM's hate towards Forgath.

Improbable and far-fetched? Probably, but this came into my mind just now.

[Krulle]

Actually, this ound as plausible as many other ories. Then it's time to loose the MoM on purpose again...

[GriffinDWolf]

I think they're all going to burst into song, and defeat Psimax with a musical number. And then...

Minmax: How can I repay...
Kin: Whatever

OT: I've got a theory, it could be BUNNIES!.....I just watched 'Once More with Feeling' four days ago and just today had gotten the earworms out. Now I'll have to watch it again just to stop the singing in my head.

On Topic: I agree it odd for the keys to look so similar...

http://www.goblinscomic.com/01272012/

...it could have some type of role, though I would doubt it would be as direct as using that key to open the door. Maybe they could somehow get back to that area in a route unknown to us so far since they are in a different area with possible access to the guts of the maze from the finish area. There are other routes so the trees may not be an issue:

http://www.goblinscomic.com/07262011/

Of course then they still have to deal with the Psimax and possibly any other alts that would reach then end hall by that time.

Then again it could be just be a way Tarol is messing with us for that exact reason of us debating over it like this.

[Glemp]

Hi, re-registered on the forum to post my idea:

"When the serpent becomes your prey, friends will become enemies and love will fuel hate" - Kin asks Forgath to cast "remove curse" on the leash to blow up PsiMax. He hesistates but she insists. Finally, He does it just as our MM enters the room somehow and sees Kin blown to pieces. This triggers MM's hate towards Forgath.

Improbable and far-fetched? Probably, but this came into my mind just now.

Good idea, but two holes with that I'm seeing. One is that they can reset the Maze, though the Oblivion holes may have broken that mechanic just as PsiMax detaching the wall broke the magnifying-hole-thingy. The other is that we've still got "I see you" coming up. And, now that I think about it, there's a third - 'prey' to me has a specific meaning, of something being hunted down, which your scenario doesn't fit.

EDIT: Unless...Oh, no...
Unless Kin sees MinMax just as the collar explodes, and feels not only her own, but also MM's pain of seeing her die. But Thunt wouldn't do that to us...would he?
Oh, god he would. He totally would. He...he...I have something in my eye, excuse me.

[Changes_everything]

I have checked again and the intelligence shield key is NOT the same as the presumably one that winks.
They are VERY close, but on the old key the smaller part is closer to the eye, while on the newer one it's on the other side...

Thunt does not seem to be consistent about it - he has been drawing the Tower Room key differently twice:



The two yellow keys on the left are the Tower Room Eye key in two different panels, right is the Chest Key. The two on the left are not the same, although they should be, since that is the same key.

That leaves us with any guess... mine would be that it does not matter.

[Linkcharge]

The other is that we've still got "I see you" coming up

Oh my god! Somehow I totally missed that and now I'm feeling all goofy and sappy, both because of the story of the proposal and because of the implications for the comic. It's a double dose of sappy romance.

[Alecat]

Changes_everything: The two examples on the left look ok to me, the teeth are in the same configuration. There's a bit of perspective wonkyness at play making the lower teeth hard to make out, but I think they've been drawn.
It's really interesting that they're basically the same design, though. Surely there's some meaning behind that.

[WastesTime]

Thanks to the "I see you", I'm feeling much more at ease. We can safely assume that (if Thunt sticks to this, and I think he will) that Kin and Minmax both have to survive for Kin to be able to say it to Minmax (and we pretty much now that those are gonna be her words)