May 10th, 2013 tok

[DrinksTooMuchCoffee]

[...] meaning he's looking into the past.

I think he's just looking into a re-used panel so that Thunt didn't spend another day drawing a whole Tower Room, and I wouldn't read any more into that.

[Tofu]

Clearly its a portable plot device powered by speculation. The more we speculate, the more powerful the intervention is.

[Vreejack]

Oh, for crying out loud. You can see who it is who drops the cup because they are in the background in the previous frame. And then they aren't. Must have moved someplace.

Hi!

If you are talking about Frame 9 of the current page then it seems to me the "who" is actually a "what": it looks like the foot of the statue standing over the golden pools (shown most recently here and more completely here. The statue remains behind the transparent wall, so I don't think it could have done anything to help Half-Kin.

Just my $0.02!

Hm. You are right. But THunt was curiously cagey about drawing the frame in such a way so that you could not see what the statue thing was doing. I suppose one of the other Kins must have climbed up the oblivion hole.

[Shadowslance]

It cannot possibly be MM that is giving the option to Kin. MM has no way to get up there, he's still in the middle of combat, if he does disengage successfully there are multiple doors leading to the tower room and doesn't know which one would lead to the shortcut they took, and he would have to deal with the zombie horde and the surviving Kins (if there are any) to get to the hole assuming that the oblivion hole hasn't expanded which would block him from getting up there. Additionally we dont know how much their shortcut took off of the journey to the tower room so he could have to backtrack a LONG time to get to that spot anyway.

I doubt it is one of the Kin trio either. Too many zombies for the three of them to take on and in addition these three Kins attacked first so I doubt they would be willing to help at this point.

[ForgetsOldName]

It cannot possibly be MM that is giving the option to Kin. MM has no way to get up there, he's still in the middle of combat, if he does disengage successfully there are multiple doors leading to the tower room and doesn't know which one would lead to the shortcut they took, and he would have to deal with the zombie horde and the surviving Kins (if there are any) to get to the hole assuming that the oblivion hole hasn't expanded which would block him from getting up there. Additionally we dont know how much their shortcut took off of the journey to the tower room so he could have to backtrack a LONG time to get to that spot anyway.

I doubt it is one of the Kin trio either. Too many zombies for the three of them to take on and in addition these three Kins attacked first so I doubt they would be willing to help at this point.

At this point they have far more information about what's going on than they used to, and it's at least possible that two of them are dead and one of them is on her own. Or maybe it's not Kin at all. But if it is a Kin, I'm sure she can figure out the benefit of working with #156 at this point. She wasn't trying to lose, which implies that she doesn't miss her Minmax and Forgath that much. It has not been established whether a mixed party can win, but the fact that three Kins joined forces implies that there is some benefit to having a mixed party win the maze.

[brnforce]

I could see MM jumping through the oblivion hole that he creates by grabbing his sword.

[BuildsLegos]

Except that hole isn't full of nothingness, it's a bridge though time.

[sunbeam]

So many backstories with these alts, and we never will know much about them. I mean exactly how did 3 Kins meet and become teammates in the one day or so they have been in here? What happened to the other teammates they entered with?

[Kore]

If it is one of the other Kins helping this Kin then Minmax 156 may be in even greater danger. Other Kins may learn of his increased weakness for their feminine wiles, and soon a harem of Kins may surround him and try to seduce him with their savage lusts.

[Liesmith]

So many backstories with these alts, and we never will know much about them. I mean exactly how did 3 Kins meet and become teammates in the one day or so they have been in here? What happened to the other teammates they entered with?

I think (and I know others have said likewise) that their groups were partially or fully obliviated (ie, one member killed, another obliviated, etc). Since our Kin is smart enough to ascertain the general properties of the oblivion holes, it stands to reason that other Kins in the maze could do likewise. If their Minmax and/or Forgath was obliviated, they'd see that almost every other group had a human and a dwarf, and they'd start to put 2 and 2 together from that point.

You're right, though, I'd love to see a bit of each of the Three Kin's backstory, starting from the beginning of this current run, up to the point where they ran into our FMK.

[willpell]

If it is one of the other Kins helping this Kin then Minmax 156 may be in even greater danger. Other Kins may learn of his increased weakness for their feminine wiles, and soon a harem of Kins may surround him and try to seduce him with their savage lusts.

Remind me to ax you a question one of these days, Korey baby....

[cyco]

- It's not Psimax because of the IME of the sound effect and also because it doesn't make sense to use the "offscreen misterious stranger" plot device, for someone who just walked next door.
- It's not MinMax, because of the IME and because he can't possibly get there on time. If it is, Thunt will have to use all his storytelling skills to justify his presence in an acceptable way.
- There is no one else in the Maze that can reach that room through normal means, since the Tower in the Tower Room is not working anymore. That leaves the "abnormal" means through which our FMK reached the key room, so the logical conclusion is that it is one (or more) of the Kins who they fought in the Zombie hallway, since they would follow their path. It explains the IME and also would explain how they could get there without PsiMax expecting their presence.

[Almightyquad]

Did anyone notice the hole he made here?: http://www.goblinscomic.com/04172013/

Maybe someone is on the other side of that hole for some reason? What is the reason he made the hole? Is it for access into the treasure room incase he has to reset the dungeon and use the teapot to return? Who knows.

[Orga the Strange]

Did anyone notice the hole he made here?: http://www.goblinscomic.com/04172013/

Maybe someone is on the other side of that hole for some reason? What is the reason he made the hole? Is it for access into the treasure room incase he has to reset the dungeon and use the teapot to return? Who knows.

Psimax built a room for his Oblivion contraption right next to the treasure room. The hole you see him making is the same hole he's walking out of in the next panel. Basically all he did was open the 'door'.

[Linkcharge]

If it is one of the other Kins helping this Kin then Minmax 156 may be in even greater danger. Other Kins may learn of his increased weakness for their feminine wiles, and soon a harem of Kins may surround him and try to seduce him with their savage lusts.

I didn't know you wrote fanfic. Maybe you could do some PsiMax/Goblinslayer stuff next?

[Almightyquad]

Psimax built a room for his Oblivion contraption right next to the treasure room. The hole you see him making is the same hole he's walking out of in the next panel. Basically all he did was open the 'door'.

So the possibility of someone following him is possible?

[Knucklekraken]

I have been expecting Minmax to try to dive through one of those holes for a while now. I'm betting it's him, same as it's him on the bridge before the dragon's maw.

[Matney X]

Something that's been irking me since Oblivious first appeared is the forum's belief that Minmax can somehow pull himself through the time-hole, which to me is absurd.

1) Everyone assumes there's x time between when Minmax drops the sword and picks it up again, but it makes more sense, imo, that future Minmax would grab it IMMEDIATELY, and pull it away just as quickly. Even minmaxxed like he is, he doesn't have the reflexes to grab something that happens that quickly.

2) If he were somehow able to grab his future hand and pull himself through, how exactly would that work? Minmax 1 drops the sword, Minmax 2 (who is Minmax 1 of the very-near future) grabs the sword, MM1 grabs MM2, MM2 pulls MM1 through the hole.... Now where did MM2 come from? If MM1 skipped the time between when he dropped it and when he, as MM2, grabbed it, he wouldn't have lived up to that point to grab the sword at that exact moment. He can't just turn around and grab it again, because that would be a new point in time, and he can't really concoct with himself the idea to send MM1 back in time, because we would have witnessed that (he can't send himself back to a point between MM1 and MM2, because at that moment there would be no Minmax to drop Oblivious.

3) The entire reason Oblivious works and exists at all is because Minmax can't comprehend it. If this were my campaign, every time my Minmax intentionally dropped Oblivious only to immediately grab it in the new position (as he did here), I'd force the player to make an intelligence check to see if he figured out Oblivious too much for it to exist, adjusted for circumstance (this one would be incredibly easy to fail, because Minmax kind of understands that Oblivious can teleport). The player would have to FAIL the check for the sword to continue existing, and using the sword to time travel would absolutely be too much knowledge of what the sword is and does for the sword to exist.

[Pneumo]

Did anyone notice the hole he made here?: http://www.goblinscomic.com/04172013/

Maybe someone is on the other side of that hole for some reason? What is the reason he made the hole? Is it for access into the treasure room incase he has to reset the dungeon and use the teapot to return? Who knows.

Psimax built a room for his Oblivion contraption right next to the treasure room. The hole you see him making is the same hole he's walking out of in the next panel. Basically all he did was open the 'door'.

Correct
but he has a good point.
He already IS in the room next to the treasure room WITH his Oblivion machine.
Orga is asking WHY he wants to have acces to the treasure room.
He still has 8 minutes before anyone gets up to the treasure room, so why does he want to have access to it?
Other then just whistle for 8 mins...

[RJJ7]

I don't recall any place where Psimax indicated that he wanted access to the treasure room. The hole doesn't go into the treasure room, it just goes into the "foyer". I just thought that Psimax was trying to hunt down the source of the fluctuating oblivion, which he knew was in the tower room. That necessitated reentering the maze and walking down the tunnel that Forgath and Kin were running up. Hence, the hole into the foyer area, which was probably easier than teleporting through the wall and down the hall.

As for why he chose to build things right next to the treasure room, that is undoubtedly because that location gives him the most time to work before being interrupted by other people.

In short, I don't see any indication that Psimax has any interest in the treasure room (beyond, of course, it's importance to the maze as a whole, and the fact that if anyone else reaches it, then the run is over and he has to start over again).

[stevedj]

Looking at this page carefully, it seems pretty clear to me that the statue's foot isn't in the background panel any more. That fact alone MIGHT be explained away by camera angles or perspective changes, but the bigger point is that if you look at the glass wall carefully in panels 9 and 11, it now appears to be at least halfway open.

Gotta be the statue.

I think it's an illusion caused by a Thunt screwup. The angle between 9 and 11 looks quite large with relation to a stationary kin (viewer is quite a bit to the left in 11 compared to 10 and 9) and no difference in parallax of the door frame compared to the circles. Thunt made a boo-boo with the circles and statues foot is still just out of shot. Or kin has been moved in line with the doorway.

If you look at panel 9, you can see the red and blue circles. The statue's foot is just a little bit to the left of them.

In panel 10, everything is blocked off, so we can't see anything.

In panel 11, we can see the red and blue circles, but if the statue is still in the same place--relative to the circles--then it would be just out of our view. So the statue may, or may not, be remaining stationary. I think the change in view of the background is explained by the fact that we zoomed in a good deal between panels 9 and 11.

And, just to quash this theory even more -- one of the statue's feet is still present, behind the -3 in the last frame.

[Boccob]

My best guess would be MinMax 98. All the other altsplanations were either foreshadowing or explaining. This last one should have been no different. And we haven't seen MinMax 98 yet as far as I know.

[Baeronvonbleat]

I'm in the "It's a Good Kin" Thok. If you look at GS Kin IME, it's the same: http://www.goblinscomic.com/03282013/. Objects thrown by a character use the IME of the character.

The three Kin's in the hallway were a new formed group, once their Max/Forgath are killed, they work together to get to the end. So finding a new Kin in pain, they're apt to help.

Also, not that I think it's true, but it would be funny if 156 was NOT our reality, and it's our reality (which is nearly identical) showing up. But I think the fandom would revolt.

[Reads_Forums]

I'm in the "It's a Good Kin" Thok. If you look at GS Kin IME, it's the same: http://www.goblinscomic.com/03282013/. Objects thrown by a character use the IME of the character.

The three Kin's in the hallway were a new formed group, once their Max/Forgath are killed, they work together to get to the end. So finding a new Kin in pain, they're apt to help.

Also, not that I think it's true, but it would be funny if 156 was NOT our reality, and it's our reality (which is nearly identical) showing up. But I think the fandom would revolt.

Bwahaha, yes this is reality 157, virtually identical to 156 except forgath forgot to change his socks.

[friedkitty]

http://www.goblinscomic.com/06282011/
Panel 6.

It would be a huge twist. Not a pleasant one, but a "It was all a dream" equivalent.

So yeah. Fandom revolt in 3.....2.......1.......

So definitely not plausible.