May 10th, 2013 tok

[Linkcharge]

It's definitely a different shade of green. Just checked with a photo editor and the anymug color is noticeably paler.

Stray thought: We know that auras can change and become more elaborate as a character levels up. Is it possible that leveling or possibly other changes (loss of a loved one, major physical trauma, whatever) to a character might also have subtle effects on their IME, such as changing the nuance slightly? I admit, I'm not too happy with that, but have we gotten word from on high on what exactly is possible?

[YardMeat]

If the color of an IME can change at all, trueseeing is our best bet.

[Zambee]

While I like your idea, I have to point out that it's a very different shade of green, and it's quite likely the glow of them teleporting using the JADE teapot, instead of anyones I.M.E. I might be wrong, but I feel that whoever uses that teapot would create a green flash like that, from Not-Walter to Big Ears to Minmax.

I'm horrible with colors, especially green, so I will have to take your word for it. My problem with teapot theory, though, is that we've seen other magic items utilize the IME of their user (such as the +1 sword, Chief's spear, and the Axe). I don't think we have seen a magic item yet that has had a color independent of the IME of the user.

The sword, spear and axe are all weapons that would in a manner of speaking, be an extension of the wielder. That's most likely why they take on the individual IME of the person holding it. The Jade Teapot is a Magical item that functions by using it's own power to teleport the person holding it. The only input that person has on that power, is the destination they're sent to which they influence by either spoken word or by thought. It wouldn't need to interact with their soul to do it's magic.
I believe that any magical item like a weapon and maybe even some armour, depending on the abilities they had, would take on the IME of the person using it. But other Magical items that have a specific purpose like the Jade teapot, a magic wand that shoots fireballs or magic missiles etc (Not a magic staff that also shoots those spells, since the staff it also a mele weapon), or a magic Necklace/amulet... Magic items of these kinds would most likely have their own IME due to the magics powering them whereas the Weapons would get their IME from the person using them. The sword might have it's +1 enchantment on it, but I think that enchantment would simply be used to augment/boost the existing power of the person wielding it.

[gorfrellik]

Can I put a crazy theory out here too?
What IME would MagiKin's spider have? Maybe it escaped the zombies up the hole, somehow squeezed past the shield, and is now helping its newfound master?

Yeah, didn't think so.

[willpell]

Can I put a crazy theory out here too?
What IME would MagiKin's spider have? Maybe it escaped the zombies up the hole, somehow squeezed past the shield, and is now helping its newfound master?

Yeah, didn't think so.

OMG I want this to be true soooo bad.... Not that I think a hand-sized spider could manage to move a mug without spilling it, particularly not given that the SFX and VFX both indicate that it was set down from above, and Kin is now looking up at the unseen mover. But I still hope that the spider shows up after all. (Could a creature soul-bonded to a dimensional alternate of you end up switching to accompany you back to your universe?)

(I know jade is a material, but it's distinctive feature is it's name - it's name in some countries is literally GREENstone)

Whcih is weird, given that Jade comes in nearly every color...green is the best-known, but there's also a very popular purple-white variety called nephrite, and I've seen others that are amber, black, pink, pale blue, and probably more.

[DuIstalri]

Whcih is weird, given that Jade comes in nearly every color...green is the best-known, but there's also a very popular purple-white variety called nephrite, and I've seen others that are amber, black, pink, pale blue, and probably more.

True, but green is by far the most common variety, to the point that using the word jade has become synonymous with the colour green. Also, as your very own avatar demonstrates, the Jade Teapot is in fact a green variety of jade.

[YardMeat]

Can I put a crazy theory out here too?
What IME would MagiKin's spider have? Maybe it escaped the zombies up the hole, somehow squeezed past the shield, and is now helping its newfound master?

New favorite theory!

[Rogbull]

Just putting it out there, but considering there's atleast one One Eye in the dungeon, maybe it's a goblin. A goblin saving Kin might be just the thing to not have FM go all out of the GAP when they use the Jade TP.

[blargfoot]

My personal theory is that the person who put the potion in front of Kin is Psymax himself.

He wants her to live for some reason. Maybe to compel her to tell him more about how she got up here, I don't know ... anyway, he knew she was still alive and was ignoring her until Forgath refused to tell him about how they got up here. Now the most reliable way to get the information out of her is to stabilize her via the healing potion and then compel her to tell him the truth via the leash.

[Unlucky-for-Some]

I'm horrible with colors, especially green, so I will have to take your word for it. My problem with teapot theory, though, is that we've seen other magic items utilize the IME of their user (such as the +1 sword, Chief's spear, and the Axe). I don't think we have seen a magic item yet that has had a color independent of the IME of the user.

OMG - when I read this I was all "what's this? Teapot Theory? Has the forum come up with some Thuntworld alternative to String Theory here?"
And then I read on and discovered that this was not the case. Although I am firmly of the opinion that it should be so.

Nonetheless, I LOL'ed - which got me some funny looks around the office

[lunarhalo]

[Mereneth]

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I'm not sure if I should smack you or hug you xDDD

[RJJ7]

*coughs*

I've frequently seen heroines in films do both.

[willpell]

My personal theory is that the person who put the potion in front of Kin is Psymax himself.

He wants her to live for some reason. Maybe to compel her to tell him more about how she got up here, I don't know ... anyway, he knew she was still alive and was ignoring her until Forgath refused to tell him about how they got up here. Now the most reliable way to get the information out of her is to stabilize her via the healing potion and then compel her to tell him the truth via the leash.

If that were his plan, he would telekinetically force the healing potion down her throat, not give her one last opportunity to tip the mug over and spite him.

[Marnath]

http://www.goblinscomic.com/04232006/ The Anymug makes a blue sound effect as it bounces off Forgath.
http://www.goblinscomic.com/01282008/ This one clinches it for me - look at Dellyn's sound effect as he sets the bottle down. Someone with a green IME made the 'tok' sound. Pretty likely it's a Kin, and one of the ones that resembles our Kin. But there are other green IMEs so it's still a puzzle.

Well, somewhere around Brassmoon, Thunt started applying a new effect, where an action from one character to another character created a "Fused" IME effect, mixing impact with the person who threw the item. In this case, Minimax threw the mug and Forgath was hit, creating a Purple to Blue fusion. But this comic happened prior to that transition, so I'd almost deem the Mug throw in this case a "Non-Canon IME".

If you look at the Kore fight with the Goblin crew, when Kore cuts off his beard, and throws it to the ground, the "Thupt" of the beard hitting the ground has his shattered/white IME effect.

Forgath's I.M.E. is gold, not blue so that theory is right out. The mug throw is purple, so there is no conflict there with the idea that sound effects are the color of the person responsible for them.

[mnementh]

I think yer all nuts talking about IME for a simple action like moving a mug; it's ridiculous.

"Ooooh! SpiderKin farted!" "Are you sure it was her? What color was the IME, so I can check it against an RGB chart to be sure!!!"

Jeebus H. PsiMax a-hoppin' on a pogo stick.

My Senseless WAG... it's Biscuit, cuz we all know he voices Chuck Norris. * ^5s lunarhalo *


mnem
That's one boingy PsiMax.

[Morrack]

I bet we'll have to wait for another couple of days before Thunt lets us find out who saved Kin.
We'll switch back to MinMax now for sure .

[YardMeat]

I think yer all nuts talking about IME for a simple action like moving a mug; it's ridiculous.

"Ooooh! SpiderKin farted!" "Are you sure it was her? What color was the IME, so I can check it against an RGB chart to be sure!!!"

Jeebus H. PsiMax a-hoppin' on a pogo stick.

My Senseless WAG... it's Biscuit, cuz we all know he voices Chuck Norris. * ^5s lunarhalo *


mnem
That's one boingy PsiMax.

And I think your nuts for assuming that it isn't an intentional. It would be the first time in the comic that colored lettering didn't mean anything. But I guess we'll find out soon.

[Sheeva]

Something not mentioned yet: if it was Minmax, would Kin have the look on her face that she does in the last panel? She looks to me like she's concerned and/or worried, because she doesn't know the intentions of the person that she's looking at (outside of moving the mug). If it were Minmax, I would imagine that she would look more calm or happy to see him coming to save her.

Also, I go along with previous posts in this thread regarding how Minmax wouldn't just drop the cup in front of her: he would run to her side and be panicked upon seeing her dying.

[YardMeat]

My personal theory is that the person who put the potion in front of Kin is Psymax himself.

He wants her to live for some reason. Maybe to compel her to tell him more about how she got up here, I don't know ... anyway, he knew she was still alive and was ignoring her until Forgath refused to tell him about how they got up here. Now the most reliable way to get the information out of her is to stabilize her via the healing potion and then compel her to tell him the truth via the leash.

Besides having the wrong IME, he thinks Kin is dead.

Forgath: You killed Kin!
Psimax: And in the time that we've been talking, a dozen others have died.

[Starfire]

Hi!

It seems to me that Kin's progress stops by Frame 6:

Frame 6: Kin is breathing hard ("Huff Huff") and stops moving forward
Frame 7: Kin reaches for the mug ("Gasp") but it is far out of reach, and goes to -1 hit point
Frame 8: Kin is breathing more slowly ("Huff"), but not moving forward
Frame 9: Kin is still not moving ("Sob"), and goes to -2 hit points
Frame 10: The mug appears right next to Kin's head, within easy reach.
Frame 11: Kin grasps the mug, goes to -3 hit points, and looks up at....<to be continued>

Why is the mug suddenly within reach (and presumably filled with healing potion)? I see the options as:

1. Minmax has somehow come up from the Tower Room. This seems unlikely as PsiMax just located him in the Tower Room. PsiMax's pre-occupation with MinMax presumably prevents him from moving the mug over for Kin.
2. Someone else came up from the Tower Room. This seems unlikely since the door into the final room is closed and the mechanism cannot be manipulated from the final room.
3. Someone else came up from the Zombie encounter.
   
   This seems most likely to me. It is unlikely that the zombies figured out how to climb past the oblivion hole, so I think it most likely that one or more of the "Kinship" has arrived and is now helping Kin. I would expect at least one and possibly two of them because I'm not sure how only one would be able to get up to the ceiling without the aid of one of the others. If the zombies were held at bay I could see there being two; otherwise, just one.
   
   If it is just one, I am hoping it is "Sapphire" Kin: if she overheard Psimax's monologue, she is likely smart enough to realize that PsiMax, rather than the dungeon, is the real enemy and that they need a united front to stop him from removing himself, and by extension the dungeon, from existence.
   
   She is a highly capable archer, so retrieving the arrows that MinMax and Forgath jettisoned when they healed themselves could be quite useful.
   
   The fact that she was teamed with "MaskedMax" may mean she is from a "Thief World" and has some thieving ability, so she might be able to get off a shot at Psimax without him being able to block it with his psionic powers.

My $0.02!

+1. I'm with Pablo (and others) on this one. As much as I like the romantic notion of it being Minmax, I'm not there yet - he's in an epic battle and we haven't seen the end of it yet.

[BeanDip]

Just putting it out there, but considering there's atleast one One Eye in the dungeon, maybe it's a goblin. A goblin saving Kin might be just the thing to not have FM go all out of the GAP when they use the Jade TP.

And if it's One-Eye then Big Ears gets his friend back!

but the chances of it being One-Eye are probably extremely slim to non-existent

[stevedj]

Something not mentioned yet: if it was Minmax, would Kin have the look on her face that she does in the last panel? She looks to me like she's concerned and/or worried, because she doesn't know the intentions of the person that she's looking at (outside of moving the mug). If it were Minmax, I would imagine that she would look more calm or happy to see him coming to save her.

Or, something even more cruel that hasn't been mentioned yet (that I've seen, anyway): Maybe she is looking up and noticing the drip of healing potion on their chin... because they drank it first before putting the mug down!

[mnementh]

I personally like the idea of it being an alter-Klik... but I'm worried if we find he's not ALLERGIC to blood.


mnem
Bleed for me...

[YardMeat]

Or, something even more cruel that hasn't been mentioned yet (that I've seen, anyway): Maybe she is looking up and noticing the drip of healing potion on their chin... because they drank it first before putting the mug down!

. . . Holy crap that would be evil.