Biscuit Theory

[Miryafa]

The 3 adventurers trapped in the Egg were part of Biscuit's adventuring party.

Facts:
-Biscuit entered the dungeon through some means 600 years ago
-The key to the dungeon had been lost for a very long time
-Adventurers usually travel in groups of at least 4
-Biscuit was the only one at the bottom of the stairs, but...
-The orb was still there.

So, maybe Biscuit's group entered the maze, and they got caught by the egg. Biscuit didn't know how to free them, so he went on. At the bottom of the stairs, he traded his soul for the orb, perhaps thinking that as long as he got the orb he could escape from the demon. But he couldn't, and so was stuck there until Dies and co banished the demon.

Thoughts?

[Glemp]

The 3 adventurers trapped in the Egg were part of Biscuit's adventuring party.

Facts:
-Biscuit entered the dungeon through some means 600 years ago
-The key to the dungeon had been lost for a very long time
-Adventurers usually travel in groups of at least 4
-Biscuit was the only one at the bottom of the stairs, but...
-The orb was still there.

So, maybe Biscuit's group entered the maze, and they got caught by the egg. Biscuit didn't know how to free them, so he went on. At the bottom of the stairs, he traded his soul for the orb, perhaps thinking that as long as he got the orb he could escape from the demon. But he couldn't, and so was stuck there until Dies and co banished the demon.

Thoughts?

Why would Biscuit trade his own soul knowing that when a demon take possession, they certainly aren't going to let him walk out? And no, I don't believe that Biscuit would be naive enough to think that the demons would no matter what important details they left out.

[RidcullyJack]

Interesting. The panel with the egg-contents is here.
Four dead humanoids, (one more with brown hair on the next page). One of them an elf, by the ears. (Do elves like orcs?) One with a sword, one with a mace, one with an axe (which is nearest the elf, but never seemed like a very elvish weapon to me). Could be a warhammer on the next page. Their armour is quite valuable-looking, so they are relatively high level.

The other theory is that Biscuit was put in place specifically for the demon to sustain herself with over the centuries, when the Well of Darkness was built, by the builder(s).

[Glemp]

Oh, speaking of the deal, Fox really should have wondered why, if the demoness' offer was genuine, she still had the Orb after gaining Biscuit's soul.

[Miryafa]

Interesting. The panel with the egg-contents is here.
Four dead humanoids, (one more with brown hair on the next page).

Ah, you're right, I missed the 4th. Well, the theory seems much less plausible now.

[Borys]

I think that when biscuit came the last chamber he had at least one living companion. After talking with demon he decided to betray Biscuit and sell his soul. But afterwards he got useless ordinary stone and was forced to leave/killed by demons.

[Glemp]

I think that when biscuit came the last chamber he had at least one living companion. After talking with demon he decided to betray Biscuit and sell his soul. But afterwards he got useless ordinary stone and was forced to leave/killed by demons.

Demons can only take souls by agreement. Biscuit himself would have to give his souls unless the other guy owned it already.

[Borys]

So he decided to sacrifice himself, but the other one was fooled into taking wrong orb/killed afterwards. Just like later Dies and Fox, but Dies' two souls saved him. Biscuit probably wasn't forced to sacrifice, because of his clan specific.

[Unlucky-for-Some]

When I saw the topic of this thread for the first time my first thought was that it was some weird Goblins version of String Theory ...

[Miryafa]

When I saw the topic of this thread for the first time my first thought was that it was some weird Goblins version of String Theory ...

"The motion of a point-like orc can be described by drawing a graph of its position with respect to time. The resulting picture depicts the worldline of the orc in spacetime. In an analogous way, one can draw a graph depicting the progress of a string as time passes. The string, which looks like a small line by itself, will sweep out a two-dimensional surface known as the worldsheet..."

[Krulle]

The 3 adventurers trapped in the Egg were part of Biscuit's adventuring party.

Facts:
-Biscuit entered the dungeon through some means 600 years ago
-The key to the dungeon had been lost for a very long time
-Adventurers usually travel in groups of at least 4
-Biscuit was the only one at the bottom of the stairs, but...
-The orb was still there.

So, maybe Biscuit's group entered the maze, and they got caught by the egg. Biscuit didn't know how to free them, so he went on. At the bottom of the stairs, he traded his soul for the orb, perhaps thinking that as long as he got the orb he could escape from the demon. But he couldn't, and so was stuck there until Dies and co banished the demon.

Thoughts?

Please read this page:

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Dies Horribly: Where is the Orc? I don't see a body or blood or anything.

Demoness: I am a demon from the second layer of hell. I was captured and trapped here over six hundred years ago when this place was built. I was put here to guard the Blue orb of Bloodlight.

Saves a Fox (thinking): The orb!
Saves a Fox: Six hundred winters ago? How have you survived down here all this time?

Demoness: Demons don't eat food the same way mortals do. The suffering of the immortal soul nourishes us. The level of suffering and quality of the soul dictates which types of nutrients we obtain.

Demoness: When a demon owns a being's soul, she has the luxury of killing that being, devouring its pain, then preventing that soul from transcending to the next stage of existence. I own the Orc's soul and so I have spent the last six hundred years summoning and killing him every few hours. This is how I have stayed alive.

Dies Horribly: That poor Orc has been repeatedly dying for six hundred winters?
Saves a Fox: You're not taking our souls, demon!

Demoness: Most demons can't take souls by force. They must be given freely. This is why even your kind is familiar with the phrase, "Deal with the Devil".

This implicates that the demoness already owned Biscuit when she was captured and put in the dungeon.
Or that Bis uit was given to her as food.
We don't know, and likely never will.
Biscuit's soul might have been property of the demoness for more than six thousand years....

[DrinksTooMuchCoffee]

As I recall, Biscuit also repeats the 600 years in his speech to Dies and Fox shortly after that.

[Miryafa]

Please read this page:

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Dies Horribly: Where is the Orc? I don't see a body or blood or anything.

Demoness: I am a demon from the second layer of hell. I was captured and trapped here over six hundred years ago when this place was built. I was put here to guard the Blue orb of Bloodlight.

Saves a Fox (thinking): The orb!
Saves a Fox: Six hundred winters ago? How have you survived down here all this time?

Demoness: Demons don't eat food the same way mortals do. The suffering of the immortal soul nourishes us. The level of suffering and quality of the soul dictates which types of nutrients we obtain.

Demoness: When a demon owns a being's soul, she has the luxury of killing that being, devouring its pain, then preventing that soul from transcending to the next stage of existence. I own the Orc's soul and so I have spent the last six hundred years summoning and killing him every few hours. This is how I have stayed alive.

Dies Horribly: That poor Orc has been repeatedly dying for six hundred winters?
Saves a Fox: You're not taking our souls, demon!

Demoness: Most demons can't take souls by force. They must be given freely. This is why even your kind is familiar with the phrase, "Deal with the Devil".

This implicates that the demoness already owned Biscuit when she was captured and put in the dungeon.
Or that Bis uit was given to her as food.
We don't know, and likely never will.
Biscuit's soul might have been property of the demoness for more than six thousand years....

If anything, the passage you quoted implies the opposite (that the demoness captured Biscuit after entering the maze) because she says "I was captured and trapped here over six hundred years ago," and "I have spent the last six hundred years summoning and killing him."

Not that demons are known for exactness.

[Krulle]

As I recall, Biscuit also repeats the 600 years in his speech to Dies and Fox shortly after that.

nope.

Dies Horribly says that, and Biscuit does not deny or confirm that.

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Saves a Fox: Hey!

Biscuit: Yes?

Saves a Fox: We just saved you from eternal suffering!

Biscuit. Oh yes, and I am very grateful. I wish you success in all that you seek.

Biscuit: Well, goodbye.

Dies Horribly: But... for six hundred winters, you've suffered constant, horrible pain at the hands of those demons. Don't you care? I mean... you don't seem fazed or shaken.

Biscuit: Little Goblin. I am from the clan of Roak. The largest Orcs in this realm. We are known for our ability to accept loss without pause or regret. A Roak warrior can lose a favoured weapon, a loved one, even a limb without feeling sadness or disappointment. While our enemies must face the emotional pain of loss, the clan of Roak is immune to this feeling because we are the strongest and best Orcs. My clan is everything to me. It is who I am and so I return to them now as a true Roak warrior.

Saves a Fox: But the Roak clan was wiped out two hundred winters ago.

Biscuit: Meh. Oh well.

We don't know how Biscuit got in there.
As I wrote above, for all we know he could have been the Demoness' possession for longer than the Demoness' time of imprisonment in the Well of Darkness.

The implications I get are, that Biscuit's soul has been given to the Demoness as nourishment during her imprisonment while she protects the Orb of Blueoodlight.
And to be nourishing over such a long time, you'd need a very strong character that doesn't succumb to the hopelessness of such a situation.

Edit: corrected the spellchecker "correction" bloodlight/bluelight.... :(

[BuildsLegos]

Are you colorblind? The orb has a red light, not blue.

[Borys]

*bloodlight

[Liesmith]

Even if Biscuit wandered down into the dungeon as part of an adventuring party and willingly entered into a pact with the Demoness, we have no reason to believe that he was bargaining for the orb, particularly since he didn't seem to care about it in the slightest once he was freed.

[Corrupt User]

The Demoness would've died of starvation without a soul. And then merged back into hell or something. Being chained up in the dungeon was probably a better option for her. Anyway, whoever built the dungeon probably gave her Biscuit, with the suffering he suffers being enough to keep the Demoness alive but not strong enough to break free or anything like that.

[Miryafa]

Even if Biscuit wandered down into the dungeon as part of an adventuring party and willingly entered into a pact with the Demoness, we have no reason to believe that he was bargaining for the orb, particularly since he didn't seem to care about it in the slightest once he was freed.

After being tortured for six hundred years after the rest of the party is dead, I doubt anyone would care about an orb whose only ability seems to be to regenerate a limb.