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Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:55 pm
by SuperVaderMan
And as a reminder, Grimm's plan was to lure Prometheus into a meeting with promise of one of the cube artifacts, and then to push him back into Babylon?
The plan we're convinced that, even in the best case scenario it works and he gets tricked back into Babylon, it wouldn't accomplish much since, as far as we're aware, there's nothing stopping him from just hopping back into our dimension?
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:26 pm
by M0rtimer
Grimm remains unconvinced that he'd be able to just return like that. Even if he could, that it wouldn't be an instant thing, and that getting rid of Prometheus is the only effective way to destabilize the Godslayers. "Agree to disagree."
In each case, he concedes that no matter what, the Hamachi base may give them some much needed intel. the question is if it turns out to be a dead end what'll be happening next, and he's making clear what his own intention is. I am going under the assumption none of the trainers have quite agreed to it.
The short being that unless you guys decide(d) to do something drastic to try and stop him, he'll be showing up here regardless because he has his own interests in the place.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:42 pm
by Dlover
Honestly, if we hit a dead end Grimm's plan doesn't seem that bad. Doesn't involve sacrifices, and so long as it works it gets Prometheus out of the picture. Since he's the one that kills gods, sounds pretty good.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:57 pm
by The Lost
If they been tracking us, would they find out about the secret base? If so we need to add protections there too
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:07 pm
by SuperVaderMan
The base is pretty deep underground, and the pokedexes probably can't get a signal down that far.
In addition, the only time we physically walked to the base was prior to our encounter with Goser - every subsequent base trip was done by way of book teleport. So, I think there's a good chance they wouldn't know that we're using the temple as a base (yet).
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 am
by M0rtimer
There's no actual need to post if you don't have any insightful feedback just yet. This was all I could crank out for now, so I figured I might as well split it up and give a chance for feedback/questions, before Grimm finishes.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:42 am
by SuperVaderMan
Just a quick note: it's the other way around. The Patron is the one doing the giving, not the one receiving. So Giratina would be the patron
Interesting stuff, though, that there's a connection between here and Babylon through this 'land of the dead'. It'd make sense if that's where the dead from both dimensions end up going.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:52 am
by M0rtimer
Obviously, Giratina bowed to the great majesty that is Grimm.
I can also say that if Grimm were to be pressured on that topic, he would respond that he believes it may be the case, in a sense. From what Giratina has told him, all creatures have their souls directly tied to their body in his realm, much like ghosts, meaning there is no afterlife as soul and body are destroyed in tandem. In each case, connection might be a bit of an overstatement given how it seems impossible to cross.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:41 pm
by SuperVaderMan
Oh right, everyone else is convinced that Giratina is a bad guy, including Grimm. That makes Giratina being Grimm's patron kinda weird, huh.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:55 am
by Dlover
I mean, Alex isn't convinced *Giratina* is a bad guy, it's just that *every single one of his followers* that Alex has met has been a bad guy. And Alex has been ready to throw hands at every godly thing we've come across other than Diancie, and he hardly interacted with her.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:04 am
by M0rtimer
For being on the gods side, he sure wants to throw hands with them a lot.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:21 am
by Dlover
I'm pretty tired, so I'm gonna ramble about Alex's attitude. And since I'm just rambling, I'm gonna put it in a spoiler to not smack people with a wall of text.
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Yeah well they're kinda stuck-up jerks who think they're incapable of being in the wrong. The ones he's interacted with aren't exactly worth being on their side. Regi? Shared enemy and Mew got abducted, so even though he didn't care about helping anyone but himself, Alex could work with him. Xerneas? Just generally rude. If impaled on the horns, would bleed on them extra hard just to make it a pain to get rid of the blood.
Mew was somewhat more reasonable, even though she didn't like Alex at all. She was trapped and stayed loyal to her closest friend, Alex can respect that. Diancie... I don't really remember much other than that she ran a flower shop or something? She seemed less stuck-up, she's alright.
The only other 'god' that I think Alex has interacted with is the Spark? And hooh boy, Alex hates the spark, but that's because he can't work out what it's thinking, can't get any read on its behaviour. He can't manipulate that. The others he's careless with, but he felt like he had a shot at influencing things (For example, he thought that he might be able to push Regigigas into taking action, or with Xerneas he could twist the situation to keep Luna from being beaten down so much. Those may not have been entirely realistic thoughts, or wise ones, but there was a chance). The Spark he's got nothing on. He doesn't understand what its goals are or anything. And that makes him uncomfortable.
He's not hostile to the Spark though, despite his dislike, because everything points to it sticking to the deals it makes, and has to be upfront with said deals. He can trust that. And because of that, he can accept its interference. If it provides the team with something, it's not going to call the debt for that. It's definitely getting some benefit, and he doesn't know what that is, but it's not something he's obligated to go with.
I do like to think that there would be other gods he can get along with. The woman that met us outside of the tower before leaving because of Regi was hinted to be a god, and Alex probably would have had more rapport with her because she actually cared about the people, she was opposed to how the tower was used. The impression was one that seemed reliable.
Alternately, there would probably be some that he was iffy on. If, for example, Darkrai turned out to be a manipulative spinster (I'm pulling from what I imagine he'd be, no clue what you'd have done), Alex would have been on the fence with him. Because that's what Alex is too. Or it's what I wanted him to be, but I wasn't really good at playing that role, I think. Anyway, which of them is manipulating the other? Almost certainly Darkrai - he'd have centuries of experience over the kid - but that uncertainty would tilt Alex a bit. Or maybe they would have hit it off and been amazing friends because they're kindred spirits, who knows.
Onto a tangent based on that last paragraph... I don't really like how Alex's character turned out. I do like that he just takes no gaff. He could face down a god of death and tell it to shape up without flinching. But it's just not what I pictured with him. He should have been more tricksy. He should have taken that first encounter with Xerneas and kept his cool, fawned over the "Lord of Life," and tried to twist the conversation subtly away from Luna's failings to her successes, to the good she had wrought. He should have interacted with various obstacles so that he could turn them into boons. I don't expect to have been successful with it most of the time, but that should have been the goal, rather than... Petulant child.
Like, I had a backup plan in case Alex fell off one too many cliffs (Literally, with how he went). And that backup plan was just a much more straight-forward character design; "Do I get to wrestle you? If yes, you're a friend now. If no, you may be an enemy. If you are, I'm stabbing you thirty-seven times in the chest." He would have naturally developed more personality, but I can at least say that I know for sure his first reaction to meeting any god would be to request a wrestling match. And I like that certainty.
Of course, Alex was too much of a badass (And Mort too generous a DM) for that to actually come into play. So I'll save the plan for future TTRPGs.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:27 pm
by SuperVaderMan
Yo can I make an Intuition check on this? The info all lines up, but this is at least twice now that Grimm's pulled the wool over the trainers' eyes about some pretty important stuff. Koa can't really take Grimm at face value at this point.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:44 pm
by M0rtimer
Sure
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:03 am
by SuperVaderMan
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:15 am
by M0rtimer
Koa seems pretty sure that he's telling the truth this time. It does seem like he's intentionally trying to be as thorough as possible to make up for not (being allowed to) telling in the past.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:18 pm
by SuperVaderMan
So I know we're handling battles narratively now, but since we're gonna be going into a battle with a lady in an exosuit, I feel like this is my time.
Koa also has an exosuit in the form of Kinhe. While the initial high he got the first time she bonded with him freaked him out, it's still something he wanted to work on with her since it's a powerful and useful ability. Maybe she could get to the point where she doesn't get him high whenever they bond?
Regardless, mechanically speaking it's something I've been wanting to do:
- Koa has the Defense, Kinhe the Special Defense, and they can intercept for each other for free
- If any big attacks come their way, Koa can Wide Guard it
- I planned on leveling Koa so he can make Leftovers to mitigate the drain he'd be taking per turn
- I've been raising Koa's Focus so he can safely decouple from her even after using the Possession to pump his stats a few times
So yeah, Koa would plan to be on the team that tackles the Fairy Box room and getting into a 1v1 mech fight with the exosuit lady
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:37 pm
by M0rtimer
Good intel! Yes, when we get to the battle, I'll try to include such information when given, just like how burns mentioned Haley being able to hack robots.
And it might not be completely flavor text either... I was considering adding an element of "risk" to some potential outcomes. Basically, depending on how difficult a path you choose. The path of least resistance I'd keep effectively risk free (unless some really dumb actions are taken), but, without trying to spoil anything, as an example you may be given a hard and easy path, with the harder path carrying more rewards, but having a % chance of triggering a bad event, based on how prepared I gauge everyone to be. Triggering it... I'll probably make some kind of "bad thing" list. Killing pc's likely won't be on it, but maybe there can be injuries of some kind.
Now, npc's on the other hand. >:)
On a serious note, what do you guys think about this as a solution to making the more dangerous choices still feel more dangerous?
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:53 pm
by SuperVaderMan
I mean, yeah, I don't see a problem with it. It lets us know we can't just get away with doing whatever and it'll all work out. Seems fine
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:02 pm
by SuperVaderMan
I don't mind moving on towards base raid time
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:30 pm
by M0rtimer
Anyone not assigned to a team yet can still do as they prefer.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:12 am
by Dlover
Alex will just go with whichever team has the least manpower, since I haven't seen any indication of one team or the other needing a talky person in particular.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:35 am
by M0rtimer
Probably team tech? Considering the only npc's there are Jeremy and Isabella who are still "average".
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:42 am
by Dlover
Works for me.
Re: Trinity Isles OOC
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:08 am
by SuperVaderMan
Isabella still has the heavy armor from the Vault at least, but yeah, they probably needed a little more manpower.
Coincidentally, 13 seems to be over there. If you wanna get talky then there's an opportunity.