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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by mnementh » Sat May 18, 2013 9:48 am

BeanDip wrote:Its a series of video games with some tie in novels and (i think) a movie in the works. Plays like a space opera with a well done if fairly standard sci fi setting, fascinating writing and story arcs, interesting characters and good dialogue. I greatly enjoy it.
So, kindof like Starship Troopers, only more pretentious and more drawn out? ;)

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Liesmith » Sat May 18, 2013 10:05 am

NO! BAD DWAGON! Turn in your badge and your gun. You can have them back after recess.

Here's a spoiler-free explanation of the ending for those who haven't played the game:

Imaging you're watching a truly epic three-part symphony, played by an immensely talented orchestra with a masterful conductor. The music makes you laugh and cry and, as it rises to a crescendo, the conductor pulls down his pants and takes a crap in front of everyone. The orchestra immediately peters to a stop. The conductor screams "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!", and waddles off the stage, pants still around his ankles.
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day. You had a bad day once. Am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed."
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Marnath » Sat May 18, 2013 10:21 am

mnementh wrote:
BeanDip wrote:Its a series of video games with some tie in novels and (i think) a movie in the works. Plays like a space opera with a well done if fairly standard sci fi setting, fascinating writing and story arcs, interesting characters and good dialogue. I greatly enjoy it.
So, kindof like Starship Troopers, only more pretentious and more drawn out? ;)

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Now I can hear Admiral Hackett as Lt. Rasczak. Honestly the characters have an awful lot in common, aside from the fact that Hackett is smart enough not to do a grunt's job. Hah, and you know what, Mark Meer's voice acting would actually be a lot better than what we got with Johnny Rico.

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by RocketScientist » Sat May 18, 2013 1:18 pm

Krulle wrote:I don't even know what Mass Effect is about. Whether it's a film, game, or book...

Is it wrong for me to be here?
I'll leave with you if it is. I've never even heard of it.
mnementh wrote:So, kindof like Starship Troopers, only more pretentious and more drawn out? ;)
That's not even possible. >:-P Is it? :shock:

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Liesmith » Sat May 18, 2013 2:11 pm

RocketScientist wrote:
Krulle wrote:I don't even know what Mass Effect is about. Whether it's a film, game, or book...

Is it wrong for me to be here?
I'll leave with you if it is. I've never even heard of it.
mnementh wrote:So, kindof like Starship Troopers, only more pretentious and more drawn out? ;)
That's not even possible. >:-P Is it? :shock:

Nah, it's nothing like that. Here's a video about it from a guy self-admittedly ripping off Mr Plinkett's style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day. You had a bad day once. Am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed."
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Godbot » Sat May 18, 2013 2:26 pm

I can accept this.
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Arydra wrote:I actually liked the Mass Effect 3 ending :(
Same. Thought that I was the only one.
Don't worry, no one else did.

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by zennyrpg » Sat May 18, 2013 2:27 pm

Your.Master wrote: I've seen worse endings. But I don't think I've seen a worse ending to something that was so good before the ending, despite my earlier complaints.
I'll have to agree with pretty much everything you said. The fact that it was so good. Like the best scifi universe I've every experienced... that's the tragedy. I must still be emotionally scared or something, because despite swearing off all the games forever, I can't help but love every rant I read on the internet about this subject. Looking back though, I know I put it up on a pedestal, and ignored flaws because I was just way too into it.

I'm cool with people who liked the endings though. It just shows what great art those games were that there was so many different things for people to love.

Goblins is the same way too. I don't agree with everything that's happened. I didn't like how the vipers were just mooks to be slaughtered. I thought that ran against the whole premise of the comic. I have issues with Biscuit in general. But despite that, imo, goblins is still a great comic.

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Krulle » Sat May 18, 2013 3:11 pm

Liesmith wrote:NO! BAD DWAGON! Turn in your badge and your gun. You can have them back after recess.

Here's a spoiler-free explanation of the ending for those who haven't played the game:

Imaging you're watching a truly epic three-part symphony, played by an immensely talented orchestra with a masterful conductor. The music makes you laugh and cry and, as it rises to a crescendo, the conductor pulls down his pants and takes a crap in front of everyone. The orchestra immediately peters to a stop. The conductor screams "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!", and waddles off the stage, pants still around his ankles.
That reminds me of the Peter F. Hamilton's Sci-Fi series (e.g. Night's Dawn trilogy)...
A wonderful story, written to fascinate, great pace, immensely great and detailed background, logical, ....
Only a few hundred pages to go and no conclusion visible....
Only about a hundred (of the third book) pages to go and still no idea how this might resolve....
Gordon's Knot, a swipe with the ├╝ber-sword and all is resolved for a happy ending??!!!??
What a let-down.
Yet, I still buy all his books, they are that great, if you ignore the abrupt ending...
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Liesmith » Sat May 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Krulle wrote: That reminds me of the Peter F. Hamilton's Sci-Fi series (e.g. Night's Dawn trilogy)...
A wonderful story, written to fascinate, great pace, immensely great and detailed background, logical, ....
Only a few hundred pages to go and no conclusion visible....
Only about a hundred (of the third book) pages to go and still no idea how this might resolve....
Gordon's Knot, a swipe with the ├╝ber-sword and all is resolved for a happy ending??!!!??
What a let-down.
Yet, I still buy all his books, they are that great, if you ignore the abrupt ending...
That sounds a little like Everworld, for the two of you out there who've read that series. The author, K A Applegate was writing a handful of young adult series at the time, and Everworld was still in its early stages. The basic plot is that all the old gods throughout human history decided that the universe was just too restrictive for them, so they got together and made their own universe, with hookers! And flapjacks! Within that pocket universe, they share a world they created, and each pantheon has their own section, with a population of devout humans they brought with them. The problem is that there's an uninvited god there; an alien god who feeds on other gods, and he's basically ruining everyone's day. To make matters worse, some gods *coughLokicough* are actively sabotaging their peers, because they want to be on the winning side. Eventually, things are at their lowest point, and there are dozens of Chekov's MacGuffins on the table which could be reasonable solutions at some point in the distant future...but instead all the traitor gods change their mind and decide to join their brethren to fight the alien god and the end.

I guess that's what happens when an author spontaneously becomes bored with her own series. Sigh. I really liked that one, too.
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by BuildsLegos » Sat May 18, 2013 5:14 pm

zennyrpg wrote:Goblins is the same way too. I don't agree with everything that's happened. I didn't like how the vipers were just mooks to be slaughtered. I thought that ran against the whole premise of the comic. I have issues with Biscuit in general. But despite that, imo, goblins is still a great comic.
Just like the Elite Guards and real-life Nazis, that they were racist is a perfect reason to slaughter them as mooks. Promote pacifism all you like, but when Nazis try to feed you to a bear, are you going to take it like chump or are going to feed THEM to the bear?
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by RedwoodElf » Sat May 18, 2013 6:54 pm

Insane Kitty wrote:mmm, waffles and maple syrup!
he iz beink held kaptiff at Luftvaffles!
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by zennyrpg » Sat May 18, 2013 8:00 pm

BuildsLegos wrote:
zennyrpg wrote:Goblins is the same way too. I don't agree with everything that's happened. I didn't like how the vipers were just mooks to be slaughtered. I thought that ran against the whole premise of the comic. I have issues with Biscuit in general. But despite that, imo, goblins is still a great comic.
Just like the Elite Guards and real-life Nazis, that they were racist is a perfect reason to slaughter them as mooks. Promote pacifism all you like, but when Nazis try to feed you to a bear, are you going to take it like chump or are going to feed THEM to the bear?
Actually, a lot of real life nazis were just misguided suckers who ended up surrendering and living perfectly normal lives. You don't think everyone in Hilter's army was killed, right? Maybe by nazi you only mean upper level people, but again, there were lots of lower level people along for the ride. Murdering lots of racist nazis doesn't really qualify in my mind as great art- its a pretty simplistic storyline and not on par with most of Goblins. I've already discussed this in the last forum, and people view this in many different ways.

I'm not promoting pacifism and I'd appreciate you to stop straw-manning my opinion. Just because I think it would have been better to have the vipers portrayed in a more nuanced way, does not mean I promote pacifism. I'm not saying that characters should not defend themselves, or even that they did anything wrong. THunt writes the heroes and villains, so I'm criticizing the particular storyline, not the characters right to defend themselves.

The ME3 bit reminded me of this. I definately felt a simmilar moral disodence when I experienced the ME3 ending, although at a much higher level. Of course lots of people thought the people who didn't like the ending just wanted rainbows, unicorns, and lollipops, but that's not actually the case.

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by mnementh » Sat May 18, 2013 8:20 pm

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by BuildsLegos » Sat May 18, 2013 8:46 pm

I'm sorry my jest went so poorly, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. My point was that the Vipers started that fight and rightly suffered for it. If you want to insist that individuals from any of those 3 groups (and I'm sure there were such Nazis) didn't enjoy partaking in all the slavery and plotting of genocide, the fact that they contributed all the same is more important.

Actually, this reminds me of a moment in Metro: Last Light where I pass by a Nazi who begs me to let him live and proceeds to cry about how sick he is of his peoples' ways. So far, I was so generous as to only kill 2 Nazis (as they shot at me) and I was about to leave him be when I thought, maybe it's more humane to end his suffering, so I did. Of course, I also find it more just to kill every OTHER Nazi, which is what I'll probably do on my second play-through.

As for the Mass Effect ending, it was simply a problem of giving the Reapers a self-defeating motive with the most pointlessly convoluted reveal possible. Casey Hudson should be ashamed of himself.
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Occams Meataxe » Sat May 18, 2013 9:50 pm

Jail? I'd have horsewhipped, tarred, feathered, hanged, drawn AND quartered him

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by zennyrpg » Sat May 18, 2013 10:25 pm

BuildsLegos wrote:I'm sorry my jest went so poorly, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. My point was that the Vipers started that fight and rightly suffered for it. If you want to insist that individuals from any of those 3 groups (and I'm sure there were such Nazis) didn't enjoy partaking in all the slavery and plotting of genocide, the fact that they contributed all the same is more important.

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As for the Mass Effect ending, it was simply a problem of giving the Reapers a self-defeating motive with the most pointlessly convoluted reveal possible. Casey Hudson should be ashamed of himself.
With Mass Effect, it struck me wrong particularly because I thought it ran counter to the established themes. I could imagine a game with that ending and that ending at least sort of fitting but ME was not that game.

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I'll also have to agree with your statement that participating in evil is punishable regardless if someone is themselves evil. Its great that we can sleep better knowing all the elite guards were "evil" but it wasn't a requirement for them getting slaughtered. The vipers rub me the wrong way because they are born vipers. It just lacks the more complex shades of grayness that I have seen elsewhere and that I have come to expect from the comic. For example http://www.goblinscomic.com/01312006/ and http://www.goblinscomic.com/02052006/ . That sh*t is golden.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that (at least for this thread). I hope this tempts fate can live up to my favorite one: tempts fate 6.

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Post by willpell » Sat May 18, 2013 10:41 pm

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Liesmith » Sat May 18, 2013 10:47 pm

zennyrpg wrote:The vipers rub me the wrong way because they are born vipers.
As far as I can tell from the comic, no child Vipers were slain during the Biscuitastrophe. It was all adults, who made their decision to be White Terror supremacists. You could argue that this was due to their upbringing, but you'd have to apply that argument to the elite guards, as well. Not all Vipers are evil, as evidenced by Grem.

Here's a simple rhyme I use to help me determine whether something is moral or not:

If it's helpful,
If it's nice,
If it's happy,
Don't think twice.
If you own slaves, I'll happily burn your life down around you and dance in the ashes. Khaleesi OUT.


I think I read that in a Doctor Seuss book. Something about wibbily-wobbily ethics or somesuch.
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Changes_everything » Sun May 19, 2013 3:29 am

friedkitty wrote:Methinks Thunt has been reading posts and has found a way to give us fillerish goodness while getting caught up on his workload.

I like it.
So do I, indeed!

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Post by Caltera » Sun May 19, 2013 4:29 am

I really loved this update, really funny and relieving after a few hard update will all kin splashed and so on... I just laugh myself so hard seing: I wrote mass effect 3 ending

Thunt, you're incredible, please continue like this ^^

Btw I agree with what being said on ME3 End. Whatever end you choose, you have the same ending video. The exact same, except the colour of the impulsion. That was the end all players really cry out so much after all this years of playing.

ME is a good game, would make a wonderfull campain for a sci-fi tabletop rpg, but if i'd have been one player, i'd just have kill the GM for makin this end after all the good writting work of the story

For all of those who haven't played ME, try them. The 3 are really great, different in gameplay but each really deep in history. It's a master piece of storry telling if you try to really dig deep into the extra mission, finding any clue you can about history.
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by Krulle » Sun May 19, 2013 4:31 am

Fillerish goodness: except for this one page, Thunt has promised to NOT bring SFF as fillers, but purely as extra.

I wouldn't say no to more Axe of Prissan, Biographies, Character Sheets, Altsplanations, or similar as fillers...

But once the Kickstarter runs, the card-game should be using a bit less time, except if it's addicting, in that case I must buy it, as Goblins will get lost in that addiction.....

And no, I will not start playing computer games, especially not a series....
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Post by RedwoodElf » Sun May 19, 2013 6:02 am

Liesmith wrote:
Here's a simple rhyme I use to help me determine whether something is moral or not:

If it's helpful,
If it's nice,
If it's happy,
Don't think twice.
If you own slaves, I'll happily burn your life down around you and dance in the ashes. Khaleesi OUT.


I think I read that in a Doctor Seuss book. Something about wibbily-wobbily ethics or somesuch.
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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by warwizard87 » Sun May 19, 2013 9:17 am

Liesmith wrote:NO! BAD DWAGON! Turn in your badge and your gun. You can have them back after recess.

Here's a spoiler-free explanation of the ending for those who haven't played the game:

Imaging you're watching a truly epic three-part symphony, played by an immensely talented orchestra with a masterful conductor. The music makes you laugh and cry and, as it rises to a crescendo, the conductor pulls down his pants and takes a crap in front of everyone. The orchestra immediately peters to a stop. The conductor screams "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!", and waddles off the stage, pants still around his ankles.
i cant stop laughing at this :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EDIT :yay i no longer remain silent
now i mumble inchoreantly

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Re: May 17, 2013 Under Arrest

Post by mnementh » Sun May 19, 2013 11:17 am

RedwoodElf wrote:Khaleesi Daenaris Stormborn likes to play a game called "Who's immune to fire" doesn't she?
Awww... I didn't mean for you to stop talking like that... I was just funnin' ya. :oops: I walk around the house all the time talking like Capt. Kirk; it makes my wife howl. Especially if I randomly insert some Scotty or Picard or John Chricton... :lol:
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Liesmith wrote:NO! BAD DWAGON! Turn in your badge and your gun. You can have them back after recess.

Here's a spoiler-free explanation of the ending for those who haven't played the game:

Imaging you're watching a truly epic three-part symphony, played by an immensely talented orchestra with a masterful conductor. The music makes you laugh and cry and, as it rises to a crescendo, the conductor pulls down his pants and takes a crap in front of everyone. The orchestra immediately peters to a stop. The conductor screams "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!", and waddles off the stage, pants still around his ankles.
i cant stop laughing at this :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EDIT :yay i no longer remain silent
now i mumble inchoreantly
Yeah, same here. I can just SEE it happening. And I can think of at least a dozen pretentious wankers I'd love to see as they realize what they just spent $300 a ticket to experience...


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