19th June 2013-Get 'Im

[EatsAbug]

Left to Right: AquaMax, MummyKin, Korgath, OgreMax, MadKin, SadoMax, GoldenMax, StabbyKin, TorchMax, Goblinath, PaliMax

I'm thinking that MinMax finishes PsiMax off by drawing Oblivious - with the oblivion hole in the middle of PsiMax's chest.
But probably NOT until PsiMax wipes out ALL the other opponents and teleports MinMax back to the PsiMachine so he can threaten Kin in order to force MinMax to draw Oblivious.

PsiMax is smart - he'd tactically withdraw by floating up into the air, splishing anyone who grabs him as he does. Then take out those with missile weapons (including Korgath, who gets thrown by OgreMax). Then the others. But maybe that's not exciting enough - maybe it'll be a couple pages of wonderfully complex up-close melee.

[Vreejack]

Two things:
- If GoldMax dies, and the maze resets, will he still be dog-piled by Not-Walter and his buddies? Hell exists outside the Maze, so technically he can only be dogpiled once in his existence right?
- There's no WAY NinjaMax is dead already, so I'm sure there are at least more than eleven alts left

This pocket dimension exists outside of time, so while we see things going on here the outside is completely frozen. Grinnorarcen thinks he escaped to his home plane, but in reality he will respawn with the namer Minmax when the maze resets, none the wiser. This has probably happened a million times already.

[SpyMoose]

Ok... Haven't played D&D in years.... but wouldn't GoldMax have split the EXP when he was 'partied' with NotWalter? I'm not surprised he made it to the final battle if that's the case, having a demon as your own personal exp machine might make him one of the highest level Alt's there. The only drawback I can see is he may not be confident in his abilities now that he actually has to fight his battles himself.

[Glemp]

That last Minmax on the right with the half-mask...
Phanmax?

[cyco]

Giant MinMax only has one "M" on his badge. He's either Min or Max.

[arpfaust]

Doesn't anyone see? 'Dualgath' is obviously Backwardsgath: There's an 'H' on his helmet (short for Htagrof, Forgath backwards) and those weapons look like the blades are mounted on backwards.

[Rorrik]

Yeah, the blue armor has been discussed. We expect MM to shout "You BLEW it!" as he grabs for the sword, or something like that.

I think he has to actually mean a color. My bet is on him commanding the blue corralmax to get the armor change. This battle is going to be insane... and goopy.

[langerhans]

Doesn't anyone see? 'Dualgath' is obviously Backwardsgath: There's an 'H' on his helmet (short for Htagrof, Forgath backwards) and those weapons look like the blades are mounted on backwards.

i thought the H stood for helmet, as in 'this is a helmet' i kinda see what you're saying about the weapons, so the handle would be attached along the bloody edge to form an axe?

[Elvors]

I don't expect a battle. He's going to teleport somewhere else and take Minmax with him.
If he can't take others with him in teleportation, he's going to the top of the tower and levitate Minmax up.
If the Angry Eleven try to scale the tower, he'll have enough time to splishk them.divine spectators are having the time of their life right now, and will initiate the reset as soon as it gets boring.

[Zambee]

I'd think in this case, the "H" is the Holy symbol of Herbert, just like on the bottom of Forgath 156's mace.

[arpfaust]

I'd think in this case, the "H" is the Holy symbol of Herbert, just like on the bottom of Forgath 156's mace.

i thought the H stood for helmet, as in 'this is a helmet' i kinda see what you're saying about the weapons, so the handle would be attached along the bloody edge to form an axe?

Or along the horizontal (in this comic drawn vertically) edge, to make an axe that looks a bit like this.

Further proof: 'backwards' horns on his helmet and in the next update we will hear him speak backwards, too. (or so I hope )

[ardenwolf]

Everything in the view of the arm and sword psimax is looking at is discolored due the view he's looking at it with. It looks to me to be more discolored by that than actually being blue at all. But that's just me. I think people are playing up the must be blue angle too much as it's not very clear whether that's true at all.

[langerhans]

Everything in the view of the arm and sword psimax is looking at is discolored due the view he's looking at it with. It looks to me to be more discolored by that than actually being blue at all. But that's just me. I think people are playing up the must be blue angle too much as it's not very clear whether that's true at all.

well you can see minmax's armour in it's black state in the same image and the two shades look nothing alike.

[Glemp]

Everything in the view of the arm and sword psimax is looking at is discolored due the view he's looking at it with. It looks to me to be more discolored by that than actually being blue at all. But that's just me. I think people are playing up the must be blue angle too much as it's not very clear whether that's true at all.

Nah, I don't- AWW! Oh look at the lovely dog!
Oooh who's a good boy? Who's a good boy? YOU ARE! I- uh...

I have something of a weakness with lovely doggies.

[StarkRED]

We know that Oblivious will be summoned once more in the future when Minmax dons a blue armor, but I just began wondering what would happen to Oblivious IF Minmax 156 was to die. Would the sword hover in suspended animation when dropped foreshadowing Minmax's death from the fact that it would not be drawn by its owner the next time? Would it simply disappear and cease to exist?

[Marnath]

I glanced at a D&D wiki, and the SRD doesn't seem to have a spell power that's just "lift a living creature with your mind and move them around," so there don't seem to be any official rules to consult, but I think we can reasonably assume that there's an upper limit on how many people he can target at once. And it's probably safe to assume that the more people he's targeting with telekinesis, the harder it gets to maintain it. It might even grow weaker due to the exertion.

So I've noticed that in general people don't seem to have a good grasp on Psionics. The power that Psimax is using to move around others is Telekinetic Force. It functions pretty much like the spell Telekinesis. He can also do other things while maintaining concentration (like manifesting other powers) because he also manifests the power Solicit Psycrystal, which allows a Psion to have his Psycrystal maintain concentration for him on a power he is using.

But then there's the question: Have you noticed that Psimax has no psycrystal? Every self-respecting Psion has at least 1 psycrystal! So where are they? Psimax's arms are his psycrystals. He shaped them into arms and grafted them on. There are powers to do this in the Metacreativity and Psychometabolism Disciplines.

And how is it that he simply makes people explode into tiny bits? Well, there is a Psychoportation power called Dissipating Touch. It is a 1st-level power, which only disperses a small part of a person or object (he also dissolves the wall and the keys), but it can be augmented. At level 20 and by spending 20 power points, it can deal 20d6. It allows no save, but requires a melee touch attack. It is the only power in the SRD that does what Psimax is doing. But then how does Psimax hit people with it at range? That is something I've been trying to answer, and I believe it has something to do with how Psimax is unnaturally aware of anything that happens around him, and is even able to respond to it without looking around.

There is a power called Touchsight which allows you to "feel your surroundings even in total darkness or when your sight would otherwise be obscured by your physical environment." This answers the question of how Psimax is always aware of what is happening around him, for example the way in which he attacks BROWgrath without even looking at him. I believe Psimax is being a huge munchkin and using RAW of Touchsight's written explanation. Touchsight effectively allows you to "feel"... and in order to feel you have to touch, right? This combination of Touchsight and Dissipating Touch effectively makes him able to touch anyone in range of Touchsight. I know every single Power in the SRD, and many more in splatbooks, and this is the only way in which Psimax could possibly do what he is doing.

Also, here are other powers Psimax is using:
Reality Revision is basically the 'Universe Machine'. Overland Flight, Psionic is how he floats about, either that or Fly, Psionic which is a Nomad-only Power. Dimension Door, Psionic is how he teleported to our Minmax.
Take into account that a level 20 Psion knows at least 36 powers, so we haven't even seen the tip of the psyberg. If Psimax specializes in Psychoportation, as I theorize, then we will most likely see the 9th level Nomad-only power Time Regression, which allows him to effectively have a "redo" on a round.

What do you suppose is the minimum level he could do all that, assuming optimization cheese from a lenient DM (like giving up the ability to learn mind control powers for extra INT!) and a much higher point total than he should have? I ask because a while ago some people ran the math and determined that fighting encounters full of 3rd level characters can only get you to ~ level 12 before you stop getting any XP for the effort. Which works out great I think, since level 11-12 is when you start getting 6th level powers like overland flight.

We know that Oblivious will be summoned once more in the future when Minmax dons a blue armor, but I just began wondering what would happen to Oblivious IF Minmax 156 was to die. Would the sword hover in suspended animation when dropped foreshadowing Minmax's death from the fact that it would not be drawn by its owner the next time? Would it simply disappear and cease to exist?

I imagine that when he drops it for the last time, there simply won't be a hand that reaches out for it and it will vanish since it stayed in that specific second of time forever.

[bcas77]

At least we'll know for sure when it is gone for good. There will be no cliffhanger with Oblivious because if a hand grabs it, it's not gone forever.

[nightarix]

wouldn't killing psimax just end up killing off everyone in the next run? assuming fmk 156 wins and exits anyways. though that would eliminate alot of alts that thunt wouldn't need to show ever again then... it would be easier to force him to win the maze(and thus get booted)

[Trojan]

also torturemax's outfit looks like it fails the cover the one bit most of us would want it too. there's either an under-rag to hide his junk or thunt (thankfully) forgot to fill in the gaps

It looked to me he's wearing badly preserved fur - the fur has come off in patches which get rubbed leaving bare hide behind - not holes. But I don't want to think why he was rubbing the fur there - or who else might have been rubbing it

[apotato]

it's likely due to breaking the clock psimax's team cant win the maze.

they're cheating so they don't get to win.

they would have beaten the maze the second or third attempt after destroying the clock as they would have started observing patterns in the traps and collecting exp from the combat. upon getting to the end and discovering they cant leave the maze they would have snapped and began infighting, psimax wins due to minmaxxing, the maze resets, psimax kills his teammates again or else they'll kill him...or worse get more exp while he formulates another escape.

i do not think for a second psimax is doing anything for the greater good...and if he knew the teapot could be used to escape the maze, his team probably would have by now

It looked to me he's wearing badly preserved fur - the fur has come off in patches which get rubbed leaving bare hide behind - not holes. But I don't want to think why he was rubbing the fur there - or who else might have been rubbing it

it's a face, probably complains' face. the mouth is over his crotch area (nothing suss)

[willpell]

Did anyone else notice the character disparity in this final lineup?

Yes, I mentioned that on about page 2.

Doesn't anyone see? 'Dualgath' is obviously Backwardsgath: There's an 'H' on his helmet (short for Htagrof, Forgath backwards) and those weapons look like the blades are mounted on backwards.

I thought they were adzes.

10) EEEEEEEEEEEEK-GATH ( I think he's from that dimension of super-powered goblins and I STILL get the ALIENS creeps thinking about it)

He is not from that reality, as we have seen all of them in the "golems with charms hanging from them which you pull to open a floor tile with a matching symbol and thereby drop anyone standing there into a spike pit" fight. Their Forgath is fairly ordinary apart from having a weird axe/mace thingy, no shirt, and a lot of scarring. (Their Minmax is also scarred, and more recently bisected, and their Kin has fins, but otherwise they seem to more nearly resemble 156 than just about any other set of alts.)

[belacossa]

Long time lingerer first time posting, How can any forgath with an H in the middle of his helmet be called anything but Rimgath, ( I know it makes him seem like a toilet cleaner when you emphasise the Rim in Rimgarth.)

[mnementh]

also torturemax's outfit looks like it fails the cover the one bit most of us would want it too. there's either an under-rag to hide his junk or thunt (thankfully) forgot to fill in the gaps

It looked to me he's wearing badly preserved fur - the fur has come off in patches which get rubbed leaving bare hide behind - not holes. But I don't want to think why he was rubbing the fur there - or who else might have been rubbing it

Dude... can't you tell that hide he's wearing used to be SOMEONE'S FACE?

*Shudders*

Seriously... I don't want him pissed off at ME...


mnem
grr. arrg.

[LooksAndSmiles]

... changed eleven minor variables. I would argue that at least one of them is a major one, and at least two of them smells bad.

OK, I know that the joke has been done, but I just got to see the update.

Anyway, eager to see how this turns out. I doubt psimax can splishk more than one of them per turn, assuming that is his only or ultimate killing weapon, so yeah... I expect some badass fighting scenes and that next update cannot come soon enough.

OFF Topic:
Do you think the alternate realities card game will have an "alternate realities" extension? You know, a pack of about 300 character cards with a small handbook depicting each reality? I wouldn't mind much if their stats were moreless alike, but the graphical/historical uniqueness they have (seen by Thunt so far) is truly remarkable.

[cdstephens]

What do you suppose is the minimum level he could do all that, assuming optimization cheese from a lenient DM (like giving up the ability to learn mind control powers for extra INT!) and a much higher point total than he should have? I ask because a while ago some people ran the math and determined that fighting encounters full of 3rd level characters can only get you to ~ level 12 before you stop getting any XP for the effort. Which works out great I think, since level 11-12 is when you start getting 6th level powers like overland flight.

Does that take into account that some people can level up during the dungeon and thus provide even more XP? For example, what if a few characters in the dungeon get to level 4 or 5 towards the end?