Morgaln wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:22 pm
I'm afraid you're misrepresenting what the discussion was about.
Oh really?
Morgaln wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:30 pm
When she tells him she isn't interested, he tries to rape her to make her see how great he is (that is the closest real-world analogy to trying to mind-control her into having a relationship with him, I'm afraid). He doesn''t go through with it, but she parts with him forever in a highly emotional scene.
Morgaln wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:22 pm
Therefore, I never said what Minmax did was exactly like rape.
You didn't say it "was exactly like rape", but you did say it "was rape" (attempted). I mentioned that I was tired of semantics.
Morgaln wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:30 pm
You then made various posts about how nothing of what Minmax did even comes close to rape and compared it to blackmail instead. I proceeded to explain how the effects of the leash don't compare to blackmail at all and are far more like restraining or imprisoning someone
Blackmail is, essentially, a form of restraint or imprisonment, only it is social rather than physical.
I also never said that was completely unforgivable.
Okay, fair enough. Let's say that this part of my argument was directed not at you, but at against the general societal attitude about rape.
I am, however, of the opinion that it is not something you just forgive after a few days.
We don't know how long Kin stayed in the Maze level-grinding with her alternates. It could have been years. Hell, it could have been
centuries (we don't know how long yuan-t....er,
Silkscales live, and the Maze of Many is timeless anyway. She could have spent a solid decade murdering effigies of Minmax, until she realized she didn't hate him any more, that she never really had, that it was just a momentary shock and that she's completely over it.
Trying to heal from traumatic experience is a good thing. So is forgiving a person who assaulted you. But seeking out the person who assaulted you because you think you love them and want to have a relationship with them is questionable at best.
Why? If you "think" you love them, then you do. Love isn't some objective thing that can be scientifically measured; it is a figment of people's imaginations, and therefore anyone who imagines that they feel it actually does.
But then, abused spouses return to their partners all the time, so there's certainly precedent in the real world.
Even the term "abuse" is subjective and excessively charged. I don't think people should even go around calling relationships "abusive" a tenth as often as they do. It's kind of like calling every police officer a killer of unarmed black people; certainly, such incidents have happened, but to automatically assume such a crime exists in every situation where it could, that every husband who has ever struck his wife is an abuser, that every man who has ever breached consent is a rapist...that's going too far, it's escalating situations when they should be de-escalated, and it gives people who have actually done something wrong no incentive to try and behave better, because they're going to be called villains and monsters anyway.