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January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by RocketScientist » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:58 pm

http://goblinscomic.com/comic/page-1-2020

Oh, boy. That's gonna be a problem.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Generic » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:34 am

Kin is quite a good brawler.

Am I the only one that had to think twice about frame 2? First I thought she was dodging by laying flat, but now I think she is backed up against the wall.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by catchesafish » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:22 am

Generic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:34 am
Kin is quite a good brawler.
As a 3.0 yuan-ti, she has several racial hit dice, including I believe good BAB (monstrous humanoid) and a slight adjustment to her level, even before tacking on however many levels of wizard she gained in the Maze of Many.

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Generic » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:00 am

catchesafish wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:22 am
Generic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:34 am
Kin is quite a good brawler.
As a 3.0 yuan-ti, she has several racial hit dice, including I believe good BAB (monstrous humanoid) and a slight adjustment to her level, even before tacking on however many levels of wizard she gained in the Maze of Many.
I don't know why I am surprised at this point. She has the most memorable unarmed kills of any character save K'sellis (I am sure Thaco killed a few using non weapons, but none stands out to me). She killed herscorpioself and Hollow-eyed-frail-guy.

I am dissapointed MinMax has not killed anyone with his thumb yet.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Bapuvitttssf » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:47 pm

Generic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:00 am
I am dissapointed MinMax has not killed anyone with his thumb yet.
He did though:
http://goblinscomic.com/comic/07212013-2

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by rwstyles » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:00 pm

There is such a thing as over doing the "My character is really stupid" bit. I don't see how she will survive this. That would make Kin's player mad I would think. Or is she a NPC?

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Generic » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:37 am

Bapuvitttssf wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:47 pm
Generic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:00 am
I am dissapointed MinMax has not killed anyone with his thumb yet.
He did though:
http://goblinscomic.com/comic/07212013-2
Hey. Would you look at that.

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There is such a thing as over doing the "My character is really stupid" bit. I don't see how she will survive this. That would make Kin's player mad I would think. Or is she a NPC?
Yes. Ripping off heads of statues and mindlessly bashing doors is not that great. In particular when a character is locked up and unable to speak.

I don't want her dead, but I want MinMax to get her killed. If this makes any sense.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by BadRoad » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:12 am

I forgot, do we know why she can't talk?

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Krulle » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:09 am

Room magic.


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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Generic » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:03 am

BadRoad wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:12 am
I forgot, do we know why she can't talk?
Don't be ashamed. Setup of this scene was year(s?) ago.

I guess she can't make any other sounds, as the Snarlbugs don't seem to have any sound effects.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Krulle » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:33 am

tracked it down, 11th page of 2018, nearly two years ago...
http://goblinscomic.com/comic/page-11-2018

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Shiratzu » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:38 pm

Generic wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:37 am
rwstyles wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:00 pm
There is such a thing as over doing the "My character is really stupid" bit. I don't see how she will survive this. That would make Kin's player mad I would think. Or is she a NPC?
Yes. Ripping off heads of statues and mindlessly bashing doors is not that great. In particular when a character is locked up and unable to speak.

I don't want her dead, but I want MinMax to get her killed. If this makes any sense.
To be fair, since Kin started as a monster and became an adventurer, it's likely she's an NPC. This would mean that virtually all of the information on what's happening to her is completely unknown to Minmax's player. He's also probably not doing a bit. Keep in mind that Minmax's player built Minmax this way and saw no issues with it. Most DMs I've met would punish his character build almost instantly just to make him understand what he did. Sad thing is, as dumb as Minmax is here, I've played with way dumber players in my group. Minmax at least tried figuring out the puzzle first.

As for Generic...yeah, it makes sense. As much as I enjoy Kin as a character, her getting killed because of Minmax would actually have a greater impact on him than almost anything else at this point. Though at this point, it'd likely break him completely.

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by TheOneThatGotAway » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:48 am

Don't worry guys, Kin will probably think of some way to stop as many as possible of the balls to get into the small mouths... I hope.

Also, let's not forget the big sewn shut mouth in the back of the room she's in: page 15 of 2018, panel 7

I wonder why she hasn't tried opening that yet? I mean: magic that makes you unable to speak, a mouth that's forcibly closed in the room affected by said magic. She's been stuck there for some time already. Just... try and open that?

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Generic » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:35 am

TheOneThatGotAway wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:48 am
Don't worry guys, Kin will probably think of some way to stop as many as possible of the balls to get into the small mouths... I hope.

Also, let's not forget the big sewn shut mouth in the back of the room she's in: page 15 of 2018, panel 7

I wonder why she hasn't tried opening that yet? I mean: magic that makes you unable to speak, a mouth that's forcibly closed in the room affected by said magic. She's been stuck there for some time already. Just... try and open that?
I was going to say that it's probably made of stone. Then I remembered how fragile stone is in this universe. Yeah. She could probably do that.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by RayRay » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:09 pm

I really don't think Kin should die. It would be a mockery to kill her right after she came back strong and confident.

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Nina » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:33 am

I am divided. On one hand I would like Minmax to be useful and help some how. On the other hand, if he screws up royally, and nearly gets Kin killed, she is going to be asking, "why don't I chuck it, and just live with the consequences?" And the latter is more dramatic.

I don't think Kin will die. She is my favorite character, and Elli wouldn't be so mean as to kill off favorite characters after all.

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Post by Krulle » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:57 am

Chief was a favourite character of some...

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Post by Generic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:04 am

RayRay wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:09 pm
I really don't think Kin should die. It would be a mockery to kill her right after she came back strong and confident.
My impression of Kins arch is as such:

Bad place in beginning. She is a sex slave.
Inciting incident - She breaks a guards neck and is free.
Most of her character starts off with relation to Chief. But he is gone. We've not seen her address that.
Lowest point: She falls from the cart and is recaptured.
Comeback: She stabs Goblinslayer with the aid of new allies.

She now has a loose thread we're introduced to. The McGuffin.
So!
She then gets the KEN necklace, but that was undone-ish.
She was maimed, but that was undone-ish.
Then the Maze of Many happens. It serves to move MinMax to the Goblins. For Kin it basically means that MinMax grabs her leash, showing that he is indeed a giant scumbag. She makes the right decision to ditch him then and there, and exit the story.
Kins arch is finished. She found the McGuffin. She is free of assholes in her life. Done.

She is now back. Somehow her IME contains KEN now. A little mystery we the readers knows the answer to.
MinMax shows again he is certainly not to be trusted with another living being.

She might be back and confident, but I've not seen that growth happen. That was off screen somewhere.

She is now again in a vulnerable situation. I only really see four ways of this having a lasting point:

1. She is killed or horribly hurt. MinMax realizes what Kin realized a great while back, that perhaps he is not so great. That he has some real Mins to his Max.
2. She is hurt/nearly hurt. She realizes that MinMax keeps doing this despite her wanting to give him a chance. She might tell him about this, and it affects him the same way as above.
3. She manages it on her own. She realizes that she don't need MinMax, same as above.
4 : She is saved (by own making or MinMax's) and rejoins MinMax. This would undo the entire Maze of Many story though (apart from teleporting MinMax to where he needed to be) and put her back with a guy who frankly is not so good for her.

Apart from versions of herself, she has these relationships:
Goblinslayer - Bad. Gone
Chief - Good. Gone.
Forgath - Neutral. Gone?
MinMax - Less bad than Goblinslayer. Active.

So. I would love to have her die or suffer something gruesome here. Having MinMax come to a realization. This would make the most sense, since her arch is after all done.
Or remain unhamed, to join MinMax in a plot of self denial and that ever present rape-leash always within grasping distance.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by WearsHats » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:06 am

Kin's people have soul mates. Their true love, whom they "see." That bond allows them to sense each other's feelings and pain. Minmax and Kin "see" each other. The KEN necklace was a key part of his gaining her trust, but they'd have gotten there eventually.

When the necklace was obliviated, Kin was left knowing that she trusted Minmax, but not knowing why. However, just as he was teleported away, she realized that the pain in her hand was a link to him, and that they do "see" each other. She's been shown to be smart enough to figure out when something was obliviated. That's how they found out about the oblivion holes in the first place - she figured out that Minmax could not possibly have logically been walking around with them this entire time with one boot. She's smart enough to have put together that something was obliviated that had earned her trust, and that they do "see" each other. Now the necklace is part of her IME, even though she doesn't know why. The idea of that necklace and the love it represents is a piece of her soul now.

Kin isn't going to die, and she isn't going to dump Minmax, even though she knows he's an idiot. Apparently, opposites attract.
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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Drakoth » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:22 pm

It might be just me but I thought Scwillion was a minmax word or was this her word? Is this showing more of a connection with minmax if it was his word?

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Post by Krulle » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:23 pm

https://twitter.com/Morthasa_y/status/1218954973792362503 wrote: I want to try to use "a scwillion" more in conversation
https://twitter.com/EllipsisGoblins/status/1218958663043338240 wrote: I use it a lot. It's great for when you want to use a big number but not get "um, actually"ed. Example...

ME: There's about 80 billion ants on the planet.
SOMEONE: Um, actually? There are only 75 billion.

No one can argue with "a scwillion" b/c it's obviously a pretend number.

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Post by Generic » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm

WearsHats wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:06 am
Kin isn't going to die, and she isn't going to dump Minmax, even though she knows he's an idiot. Apparently, opposites attract.
Well, now I am really at the edge of my seat.

She never looked for a soul mate though. She needed her freedom and was looking for a tea pot. Both achieved. So, when her arc is complete she becomes MinMax's girlfriend because of destiny now?
You have any page numbers for this see thing? I remember no touching rules, fear of trees, and MinMax completely shitting all over her greatest tabu.

Damn. Now I really wish those things kill her. It seems like a better ending at this point.
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Post by Nina » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:11 pm

Kin is smart. she might catch a dozen of those balls, fight a bunch of little monsters and then figure out a way to neutralize the rest.

I bet a scwillion dollars that I'm right !!!

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by Krulle » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:48 am

Generic wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm
You have any page numbers for this see thing?
http://www.goblinscomic.com/comic/01132012/ wrote:Kin: Yuan-ti society just doesn't adhere to what Humans call "love". Our young are fed and protected by the whole clan, so the role of parenthood created by permanent, emotional attachment isn't...

Minmax: I think you're awesome.

Minmax: Just sayin'.

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Minmax: So Yuan-ti don't ever fall in love?

Kin: No, the closest thing we have is a very rare phenomenon called trueseeing. Two Yuan-ti end up "seeing" each other's souls. Once this happens, those two connect on a level that causes them to feel each other's pleasure and pain.

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Re: January 16th, 2020 - Big Trouble

Post by WearsHats » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:17 am

https://goblinscomic.com/comic/10222013 That's where he tells her. But without the necklace to establish trust, she doesn't believe him. But their memories of the necklace having been erased doesn't change the reality of their bond.

It's not destiny. It's not soulmates in that sense. It's that they've bonded on a deep magical level. Which is why, for example, on the current page, Minmax is able to sense that she's in trouble even though he can't see or hear her.

It's why, on this page, Kin's hand hurts. https://goblinscomic.org/comic/11062013/

It's why it's so important that the last thing she sees is Minmax's bleeding hand. https://goblinscomic.com/comic/11162013

Kin rescued herself, and Minmax respects her strength. But he's accepted her and supported her and helped her heal. He's also learned from her and grown as a person because of her. They've saved each other's lives. They've laughed together, cried together. Shared moments we haven't seen. They're in love.
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