Comment of coloring, good or bad, here

[morikahn]

OK, so some of you don't like my coloring.

I'm completely cool with that.

I can't please everyone. That is an impossible task. However, I don't appreciate every time I respond to a topic or create my own that I get a handful of responses from people that don't like what I do. It is not on topic and generally forces the conversation back to my competency or thunt's decision to hire me in the first place.

So, I'm making this topic for all those that want to complain about me to post it here. You can say whatever you want as long as you aren't rude or vulgar. I don't want anyone to defend me or take anything said personally. I won't.

If someone says something critical and has a good point, especially if its constructive, I'll try to incorporate it into what I do. If you just want to vent at me for ruining your comic.. thats cool too. Just do it here.

Thank you.

[extrabigmehdi]

Well, it's not that I dislike the shading.
But I've been looking all the past page, and too often the shadows are well defined, very sharp, no transitions.
This doesn't happen in real life.

Actually, I probably have to re-read the comic, to enjoy the shading, since most of the time I read only the last update,
and miss the coloring work.

[Changes_everything]

I'd appreciate it if every time I post something on this forum that it not get hijacked by those that don't like the coloring style or decisions I've chosen. I'm quite aware some of you don't like my work.

You don't pay me; Thunt does. He's the only one I have to please. Being that the unshaded works are always posted before I get a chance to work on them, just right click and save the images to your computer. Then, you'll have your own personal non-morikahnified version of the comic.

If you guys really want to complain about me, make your own topic and fill it there with your vituperative remarks. That way at least you'll be on topic and I'll know where not to go on the forum to read your inane comments.

Edit: I'll actually just start that topic for you.

[willpell]

While I keep my monitor set a little dark and thus have difficulty seeing details in the shaded comic, I do appreciate the shading and consider it high-quality. However, I have said before and will say again that I believe the comic archive ought to allow you to view both shaded and unshaded versions of every comic. (Though this is admittedly a lower priority than getting the archive to actually contain every comic; currently it only links to the first comic of each short arc, and stops doing that much after "Trespassing on Viper Territory", leaving at least the past six months or more of comics unlinked.)

I've been religious about saving the unshaded versions to my computer, but there were a few in the early stages of the transition which I missed, and I worry that if I lose Internet access (or just get super-busy) for a week or more, I may miss the window to get a new comic in its original form. Ideally, nobody should have to choose; the option to see either version should be available. (If it's a question of bandwidth or something making this impractical, I understand, but I will periodically restate my wishes in the hopes that Thunt eventually decides he can afford it, and of finding others who might share my opinion.)

Most people don't look fondly on unsolicited advice.

More the fools they.

[Trojan]

Most people don't look fondly on unsolicited advice.

More the fools they.

The problem with criticism on the internet is that the skill, intent, comprehension, etc of the person making it is frequently unknown making the quality of the criticism difficult to assess and the appropriate response even more so. In this case you also have a work-related message being mixed with fan commentary which is inefficient and thus particularly irritating for the worker who is already unhappy at being behind schedule.

I think that the ideal would be a thread that only Thunt, Morikhan, a mod, etc could post onto for any information updates to avoid the issue in future.

[extrabigmehdi]

I think my point has been made. You guys got a topic now to post whatever you want to say about my coloring, whenever and for whatever page. Lets just drop it here.

Well, I guess this topic will remain empty. Since you showed that you care only of thunt opinion (it's him that pays you) ,
it looks like a recycle bin.

[Krulle]

You don't pay me; Thunt does. He's the only one I have to please. Being that the unshaded works are always posted before I get a chance to work on them, just right click and save the images to your computer.

This I will NOT do.
If I wanted off-line copies, I would ask permission for them first, and pay for that. Best way: buy paper versions, but even they do not include the unshaded versions of new updates.
The work is owned by THunt, and I will not copy that work without permission, except to cut out one panel for my forum avatar. I delete the copy of the page immediately afterwards.
Also: I would deprive the artist of his payment when I re-read the off-line saved versions, as I would not generate ad-income.
Additionally: No! The author and coordinating artist has deemed the pages to not be finished. I should not interfere in his work and decide for him that he is finished and save a copy of his "unfinished" work for me.
Your proposal includes quite a few legal problems. And in my line of work, I cannot be permitted to violate copyright laws in such blatant ways, even if the specific author of the copyrighted work does seem to not mind a single private copy. It still is a violation of copyright law in my country.


And yes, sorry. I hijacked your thread about the colouring delay.
And yes, I was that stupid guy who repeatedly complained about it on the old forum, I'm sure you remember me for that.
I have not commented on your shading in general on this forum yet before the delay notification by you, and I wanted to NOT do so in the comic-discussion threads, as there it would always be a hijacking (complaining in general when the discussion should be about a specific comic). The delay notification thread seemed perfect, as it has fulfilled its purpose, it has notified us. There is no more we could discuss about that topic without running circles immediately.
So, your thread seemed like a good place to point out that there are some who prefer the "unfinished" version over the shaded version.
So I could jab at the shading, and additionally keep your delay notification visible for those who might have missed it.

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Well, I find the shading often exaggerated.
At begin it's impressive, but after a while , it looks a bit unnatural .

My point. I preferred the shading THunt applied himself.
But that really screwed up with THUnt's feeling of timeliness and therefore with his job satisfaction.
But IMHO, this comic needs no shading.

[ThroughTheWell]

I probably prefer the unshaded comic, and yes, I'd like a way to see an archive of those. I won't die if I don't get that wish though. I originaly came for the STORY and the characters. I even prefer some of THunt's older art style.

Having said that, I've definately said 'Whoa' a few time at how the shading has improved a page. That part is just not my priority though.

Delays and skips: work as you can and I/we will live with it. I tend to think artist are honest when they say they are working, how much they are working, sick delays, vacation delays, other business delays. No big deal. You have a life and I want you to have a life. Keep doing your best and we're cool. Pick your spot to resume as you see fit; all the modern stuff has to be done someday.

Now maybe I'd be more critical if I was trawling recent archives, or if I saw some shading that I actively disliked. Hasn't hit me so far, but if it does I have this thread to vent.

[zennyrpg]

Hopefully it's not off topic to say I like the coloring. Its really good quality and its pretty amazing what a different it makes to pages (probably why some people don't like).

I agree it can be on the dark side though. But I think a good part of that is just the dungeon-y atmosphere of the MoM. I would also love to see ALL the pages (or at least all the new pages) colored. For instance, http://www.goblinscomic.com/01222013/ isn't colored. Come on! The three kins NEED to be colored, those pages feel so disjointed from the rest.

[SamWiser]

I think the dark complaint won't be a problem for much longer. I never thought that the previous pages, with dies, fox, and biscuit , never felt dark to me. I think that Forest is trying to get the feel of a dungeon, and that is dark. When we get back to the sun then there shouldn't be anymore problems.

[BuildsLegos]

Those who crave the light will probably be a little sad, though, considering we're about to enter ANOTHER dungeon with the GAP.

[SamWiser]

True, but we will be sure to have one amazing battle scene before that.

[TinSoldier]

I doubt if I've seen very many of the comics colored and shaded. *shrug*

I don't have an opinion either way.

[willpell]

Hopefully it's not off topic to say I like the coloring.

It says good or bad, so you're definitely on-topic.

Its really good quality and its pretty amazing what a different it makes to pages (probably why some people don't like).

"Some" people won't ever like anything. The dramatic difference is however a very good argument in favor of my archive-both-versions proposal.

[Glemp]

For comparison, where does the comic switch to Forest's shading?

[WastesTime]

I liked the coloring ever since the battle between Biscuit and Grem and I do think that those pages were just great. I have to admit, though, that some of the latest pages are...overdone? I don't know, something just isn't right there for me. I still do like them and I think they are very impressive, but the lines are somehow...too strong. I cannot pinpoint the exact problem I have with them, but I do prefer your earlier work. Maybe it's because all takes place in a dungeon thus it has to look different and less appealing than the outside (which was amazing! I GASPED and AWWW'd and OMFG'd a couple of times during the Battle at the Viper Camp

@Glemp

Here is the last page done by Thunt, and the next one is the first done by Morikahn

[lingrem]

I like both Thunt's colouring and morikahn's colouring. I don't have a true preference between styles, because I know I'm always rather nostalgic and remember the original ways the colouring was done! (As in, when Thunt started to give his shading more depth, I remember going "aww but I liked it when it looked like a newspaper comic!")

[mnementh]

[TOTAL FLAMING BS MODE]

I think your coloring is just awful! If a goat blew chunks on a sixteen day old moldy pizza, that would look better; Trogdor the Burninator kicks its ass for both style and execution! Also, your feet stink so bad I can smell them through the internet.

[/TOTAL FLAMING BS MODE]


mnem
Everything is relative.

[Arydra]

I definitely think that the shading is enhancing my experience of the comic, with the shading they feel as if they are much more solid. I have no problem with the cave, I like darker colors.

[Glemp]

@Glemp

Here is the last page done by Thunt, and the next one is the first done by Morikahn

Thanks.

I've felt that the MoM colouring isn't as good as the outdoors stuff, but there's only one page that I actually dislike, and that's not even Forest's fault - the teal and orange colouring of the Tower Room, because it's so incredibly overdone.

[willpell]

So, I'm waiting on Thunt to send me the last couple pages to color, so I decided to finish up this panel I've been working on. I wanted to do a high quality shot of the 3 snake women things - when they first showed up.

Really love the reflection of the green light in the little spider's eyes; he is still the cutest thing ever.

[LooksAndSmiles]

As for me, I like the unshaded version, it feels nostalgic. I like the shading by Thunt, it fits well and it is actually his work (too bad he couldn't cramp it into his schedule). And I am amazed by morikahns shading too. Seeing each page BOTH in shaded and unshaded version too feels like a permanent win-win situation, for I am happy.
If it's possible, it would be certainly an amazing option to have a "shading on/off" switch for the archives, though. Just for the fun of it.

[TinSoldier]

As for me, I like the unshaded version, it feels nostalgic. I like the shading by Thunt, it fits well and it is actually his work (too bad he couldn't cramp it into his schedule). And I am amazed by morikahns shading too. Seeing each page BOTH in shaded and unshaded version too feels like a permanent win-win situation, for I am happy.
If it's possible, it would be certainly an amazing option to have a "shading on/off" switch for the archives, though. Just for the fun of it.

I was going to add praise, but Looks seems to have expressed my ideas for me.

I haven't really seen a lot of the shaded comics, and I was pretty unaware that they were being done "officially" until now. With the most recent shading update, I have to admit that I actually like the shading. I just haven't been aware of it until this point.

I agree that some kind of "shaded/unshaded" link on each comic page would be pretty cool. I think that being able to directly compare would help the fans see the enhanced value that the shading offers.

[Zwums]

Nostalgia for the old style aside, I prefer and very much enjoy the new style. I find that it manages to very much establish atmosphere, i.e. the darkness of the dungeon. I also will sometimes pick up previously unnoticed details or achieve better understanding of certain panels post-shading, i.e. this http://www.goblinscomic.com/12072012/ page. The complicated texture and shape of Junior was harder to distinguish, for me at least, before it was shaded.

[willpell]

The complicated texture and shape of Junior was harder to distinguish, for me at least, before it was shaded.

Seconded. He just didn't look like much until getting the Treatment. That's the problem with being all one color and having a smooth texture with few distinguishing features. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Junior was a huge piece of the reason Thunt hired a colorist.