Bad At Jokes wrote:There is definitely a joke about a magician and hypnotism here by I just cant place it.
You signed up with the forum, under the name "Bad At Jokes" to tell us you think there's a joke here, but you can't make it? Nice.
Plays_Games wrote:(Longtime lurker, first time poster here, Hi all!)
Hi! (This thread really is bringing in a lot of new members. That's awesome.
It's been suggested that psimax could be throw into the winners circle, thus resetting the maze. Possibly destroying their own counter, so they keep their memorys.
Wouldn't it be more logical for PsyMax to let 'our' FMK group win the maze, and redo the calculations with a new group?
- PsyMax has said something about a group using oblivion-holes to their own advantage, everyone (including FMK) seems to think this concerns using the hole in the ceiling. But what about 'Oblivious', the sword MinMax is wielding. No doubt that is causing more problems in said calculations then a simple hole in the ceiling.
- You could argue that the love Kin & MinMax feel for each other is causing PsyMax to feel nausea, adding even more variables on two ends.
- PsyMax could easily extract MinMax from the tower battle to check what is what, thus reuniting the group.
I think it might be something like this, or possibly MinMax killing PsyMax with oblivious, since PsyMax wont be able to 'splish' the sword.
Psimax doesn't know about Oblivious. He knows that something is causing time/space disturbances, but he doesn't know the source, let alone that it's our Minmax doing it.
That said, it was our Minmax and Kin who originally threw off his calculations. And it is our Minmax who is causing even further chaos. It would make sense for Psimax to just let them go, if he's willing to accept that his engine just isn't going to be completed this time. (Thunt mentioned in the feed that he could do all this again, but that it's kind of like doing a hard level on a video game. You get right up to the end and have to give up and go back to the start of the level. And it's kind of like, "Okay, yes, I can do this, but... really? Again? When I was so close? Oh, man... *sigh*")
As to the question of what Kin should have done, my thoughts on this have already been more or less covered above, but as long as I'm posting I'll take the opportunity to restate it my way.
Kin and Forgath are being held motionless by a powerful enemy. Their one chance to save Minmax's life is to get past him to the treasure room. Psimax is ready to kill them both with a thought (literally) as soon as he gets the answers he wants. (As it happens, he's also ready to kill everyone else in the maze. But Kin very likely does not know that.) There's also the emotional aspect, but the argument at hand is pure tactics, so let's leave that aside.
Psimax is momentarily distracted. Kin can:
1. Hang there and do nothing. Psimax will interrogate her and then almost certainly kill her.
2. Try to engage him verbally. Psimax is a minmaxed psion with superhuman bonuses (from having traded at least one major ability) who is higher level than Kin. She's smart enough to know she's not likely to outsmart him.
3. Use her tail, the one weapon available to either Forgath or Kin which can reach him. Being minmaxed for intelligence, he's physically weak. (An exceedingly low strength and/or constitution stat just might explain the arms.)
4. Something else I'm missing.
Seems to me 3 is the only one that gives any kind of chance of getting out of this alive. It's a risk, but it's a but I don't see any other option giving her better odds.
I suppose she could have made a different type of attack. Gone for, say, hitting him in a place that would cause pain and distraction. But he's likely to have a lot of Concentration bonuses, so that's got a high chance of failure. Not to mention that choking him will, in itself, force a Concentration check anyway.
Trying to choke him, hoping to roll a crit, and hoping to finish the job before he recovers seems like the best tactical option to me.
But yes, I also agree with Thinks that it was also an emotional reaction. With very good, strong reasons.