Goblins Minesweepers - Hammertime!

[Zigit]

Tough choice, but I think the xp (and the level up ) wins.

[gamecreator]

An enhancement to my Ankle Bracelets of Speed +1. If I can't pick already enhanced item, a skill token.

[LooksAndSmiles]

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And from what I see, we have enemies too heavy to push that we can't lure into enough traps to take them out(what with them not being able to leave a certain vicinity), basically necessitating warriors to actually defeat or get around. If we wind up in a situation where the warriors don't join the map or drop out of the game, maybe because they're busy or for other reasons, which you have already calculated the enemy locations for, and you make it so we need warriors to actually defeat the enemies, then we may definitely be in a tight predicament. While I can understand warriors being the major class for weaponry and fighting, we must be able to clear the map regardless of what class options people choose. And binding the enemy with a whip loses effectiveness and value if our spelunkers don't want to even get close to these enemies, now that they can't use the whip to do enough damage, through traps or other means, to handle the enemies, unless they get extremely lucky to find a rare weaponization either as a token or otherwise. Given binding the enemy basically means the enemy can only go towards the spelunky with the whip, the spelunky binding the enemy is just luring the enemy towards them when they can't necessarily defend themselves against the enemies they're luring(and some enemies can't even be lured effectively into traps).

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If you are referring to the hammer guardians, they were the "final boss" of the map and as such they were indeed harder to manipulate.
They had very specific parameters which also restricted themselves too, though! For example if you awake them too early and without any warriors to kill off, you can just leave the circled area and they wouldn't follow. Then you would have to devise a plan to get to the hammer without them attacking (in which a simple binding or luring would have worked to keep their attention), but that is your problem. I never give unsolvable tasks, just sometimes unfair circumstances!

Enemies otherwise are easy to get around, me thinks. (Also, only because a binded enemy can only move towards you does not mean that it will actually move towards you. Btw, theoretical question, what would happen if you bind the enemy from both sides? Or try to bind it to a tree? Have you guys tried everything yet to solve a problem?
It also does not mean that it can do whatever it wants (weaker enemies would be restricted to struggle for example in which case they would not be able to even attack), stronger enemies might be just pinned down, though. Or maybe not. You will know. )

Also, spelunkers generally have a lot of movement, if they can't deal with a monster they can just get away. Casters have harder time, but then again they can also have useful spells or items. Or co-players, for that matter.

And one last point, since this is a minesweeping game, the primary goal generally is to clear the field, which is always possible, everything else is fluff so it won't get too boring. Yes, it can happen that you unleash a big monster that chases you around and maybe wipes the team once (or twice), but if it would be truly unbeatable it would either get bored and leave the map, or you would fail the mission if it stays (in which case even warriors wouldn't help). Fail conditions are pretty harsh though, and I don't think you guys would fail often.

[Nerre]

I'd like to keep the warriors as the main source of damage against monsters.

That surprises me a bit. In most pen & paper or computer games casters or rogues are the main damage dealers, while warrirors are mostly tanks. I hope picking caster would give me some offensive spells later.

[GathersIngredients]

Erm, how many XP does Stumbles need to get to the next level?

Depending on the answer I might either pick the 10 XP, or the enchantment (on the lucky gloves of rude gestures, if possible) for him.

[Theis2]

Shiny takes the xp

[LooksAndSmiles]

Evaluation Time!

Blitz gains 12 coins.
Flags Fuses gets 16 coins.
Flags Mines gains 20 coins.
No-Legs gains 16 coins.
Shiny gains 8 shiny coins.
Stumbles gains 8 coins.

Chosen Rewards

Flags Mines chooses the random item. He receives a [Mask of Delivery +1]

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Bestows +2 level to Delivery or grants a level 2 Delivery skill if the player has none.

Delivery: The hero can move another player at the start of turn to an already explored tile anywhere on the map, then themselves return to their original position. Both the hero and the other player can peform their normal actions afterwards. Any XP gained by the other player that turn will be also rewarded to the hero. Level up possibilities: unexplored target tiles too or ability for the hero to stay next to the delivered tile.

Flags Fuses chooses the XP. DING! He can choose 2 of the following tokens:
Teleport (Class), Visions (PT), Jump, Treasure!
Craig takes the enchantment to his jacket: <strengthened embroidery>

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+1 DEF against melee, +1 DEF against ranged physical attacks.

No-Legs chooses the XP. DING! She can choose 2 of the following tokens:
Weapon Mastery (Class), Indominable (PT), +1 Tile, Push

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Indominable (Warrior, Survivalist): The player is immune to the first crowd control effect per turn, such as knock ups/backs, stuns, lockdowns, etc...

Tries-and-Dies takes the enchantment on his bracelet, which now gains the <Lofty> attribute!

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Lofty: The item does not occupy the designed slot, i.e. it is possible to wear another item in the slot too, benefitting from both effects. Lofty items are also unaffected by slot targeting skills or effects.

Shiny takes the XP too.

Goska and Stumbles have not decided yet. Stumbles knows that he will hit level 5 at 30XP, which is far, far away.

Shopping time!
The giant blacksmith offers his services. He can make any items for any slots, and he has a basic knowledge of enchanting them, up to +1. He accepts gold.

The blacksmith also has a potential to upgrade his enchanting and item creating skills, if you choose to help him with the next mission! (And are not terribly bored of the graveyard themed maps.)

Character Sheets

.[tabs:Blitz Craig]
Jibjib's Blitz Craig
Level 3, XP: 3. Deaths: 3

Agile Warrior
HP: 6/6
Weapon Focus:Swords

Active Skill Tokens (4/4): Stone Skin, Weapon Mastery, Run, Battle Ready

Item Bonuses
+2 DEF against melee damage (jacket)
+1 DEF against ranged physical damage (jacket)
+2 ATT in melee fight (long sword)

Abilities
Slice (available)

Worn Items
flags: 10 / 10
main hand, off hand: long sword
torso: strengthened jacket
shoulder slot: sword

Stash: 22 coins

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, [Run], [Power Surge] [tabs:Flags Fuses] Nerre's Flags Fuses Level 3, XP: 4. Deaths: 2 Divine Caster HP: 5/5 Active Skill Tokens (3/4): Rescue, Warning, Return Worn Items flags: 10 / 10 Stash: 36 coins big pile of bones, Visions [tabs:Flags Mines] WearsHats' Flags Mines Level 3, XP: 12. Deaths: 4 Heroic Spelunker HP: 5/5 Active Skill Tokens (4/4): Run (2), Rescue, Detect Traps, Visions Item Bonuses +1 to continous movement based tokens (Boots of Speed) [Delivery (2)] (Mask of Delivery +1) Worn Items flags: 9 / 9 face: Mask of Delivery +1 main hand, off hand: detector(5) feet: Boots of Speed Stash: 22 coins [+1 Tile], ! [tabs:*Goska Bluey*] Davecom3's Goska Bluey Level 3, XP: 20. Deaths: 2 Leader Level 1 (2 LP) True Neutral Spelunker HP: 5/5 Active Skill Tokens (4/4): Jump, Rescue, Dodge, Resist Item Bonuses movement bounce on mines (boots) +1 DEF against melee physical (jacket) Abilities Healing (Sign of Goodwill*) Worn Items flags: 9 / 9 Tribal Mark: Sign of Goodwill shoulder bag: 10ft pole torso: jacket main hand: whip off hand: harmonica feet: boots Stash: 2 coins candle, [Visions], [Push], Y-shaped stick *Sign of Goodwill: Heals an ally (including self) for 2 HP, in a radius of 3 movement range. The leader can't perform another main action this turn, and gains 1 XP upon successful heal if the target is someone else. Additionaly, healing someone will remove one negative status effect.[/tabs].[tabs:No-Legs] Zigit's No-Legs Level 3, XP: 5. Deaths: 2 Survivalist Warrior HP: 6/6 Weapon Focus: Bows Active Skill Tokens (3/4): Warning, Jump (2), Answer the Call Item Bonuses +1 piercing damage up to 3 movement range (bow) Worn Items flags: 10 / 10 main hand: bow shoulder slot: quiver with 9 arrows Stash: 22 coins frying pan, guitar [tabs:Oh See That Shiny] Theis2's Oh See That Shiny Level 3, XP: 23. Deaths: 3 True Neutral Warrior HP: 6/6 Weapon Focus: Shields Active Skill Tokens (4/4): Brothers-in-Arms, Battle Ready, Weapon Mastery, Formation Movement Item Bonuses [Sense Enemies] (Mask of Awareness) +3 DEF against melee physical damage (+1 jacket, +2 large round shield) +2 DEF against ranged physical damage (large round shield) +40% chance to block ranged physical attacks (large round shield) +1 ATT in melee fight (sword) Abilities Stand Ground (available) Worn Items flags: 10 / 10 main hand: sword off hand: large round shield face: Mask of Awareness torso: jacket Stash: 10 coins candy, mouldy bread, [Encouraging Shout], [Teleport], pile of bones [tabs:Stumbles around] GathersIngredients' Stumbles around Level 4, XP: 8. Deaths: 3 Heroic Caster HP: 5/5 Active Skill Tokens (5/5): Jump, Rescue, Resist, +1 Tile, Dodge Item Bonuses [Lure (2)] (gloves) +5% chance to find an extra common item at treasure finds. (gloves) +2 DEF against melee damage (jacket, helmet) +1 DEF against ranged physical (helmet) Worn Items flags: 13 / 13 main hand: frying pan torso: jacket hands: Lucky Gloves of Rude Gestures +2 Stash: 13 coins [Lure], [Visions], [Claim], ! [tabs:Tries-and-Dies] gamecreator's Tries-and-Dies Level 3 XP: 20. Deaths: 4 Agile Spelunker HP: 5/5 Active Skill Tokens (4/4): Call, Jump (4), Dodge, Weaponize, Item Bonuses [Run (2)] (bracelet) +10% success chance in persuading NPCs (battlepaint) +1 coin at treasure finds (battlepaint) +2 level to leaping related skills in the active slots. (battlepaint) +1 DEF against melee damage (jacket) 50% save chance on mines (trousers) movement bounce on mines (boots) Worn Items flags: 13 / 13 main hand: whip face: Intricately Designed Battle Paint of Airily Movements +1 shoulder bag: 10ft pole torso: jacket lower body: trousers (jewelry: Lofty Ankle Bracelets of Speed +1) feet: boots Stash: 1 coin Visions, [Treasure!][/tabs]

[Jibjib]

Could Blitz enquire as to how much it would cost to get his longsword enchanted?

[Theis2]

Shiny will spend up to 10 gold improving his shield.

[WearsHats]

If I get a weapon, I don't need an additional skill to use it to attack, right?

How much for a +1 war hammer? And a shield (plain or +1)?

[LooksAndSmiles]

Could Blitz enquire as to how much it would cost to get his longsword enchanted?

- you can get +1 physical damage for 5 coins
- you can get a random minor enchantment for 8 coins
- you can get a warrior ability enchantment for 10 coins

@Shiny:
Same enchantment types / prices are for the shield upgrade too (well, DEF instead of ATT), if you have something more specific in mind.

@Wears:
You are a Spelunker, which means you can't wield weapons, you've spent your time honing other, more important skills. You will have the ability to multiclass partly to warrior at level 5 though, if that is your dream.

You can think up simple, useful tools though, and I will name their price. (generally expect 3-8 coins for an unenchanted item, and +4-6 coins for a +1 level)

EDIT: @Wears, just some items on the top of my head

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Defusing Kit: Spelunker only. Allows the defusion of traps, even without having the appropiate ability. Receives penalty on success on harder traps. May break. Cost: 5 coins
Rope: Longer reach than whip, but cannot bind targets "automatically" like the former one, the player has to be in melee range for that. Cost 6 coins.
Simple trap: If an enemy walks over it, it triggers, disabling any further action of that enemy for the turn. Deals no damage, but can be enhanced by skills or gold for further effects. A simple trap costs 3 coins and can be used once per round (needs rewinding/replacement which takes time).

Feel free to think up your own stuff, though.

[Zigit]

Is Weapon Mastery the same as Weapon Proficiency? Or do I need Weapon Proficiency to use it?

Is there a stronger sort of leather armor than the jacket? I'm assuming the same upgrade costs for armor, is this correct?

[Davecom3]

I chose, Looks. I did not change my mind. Like I said, I'll take an enchantment on my whip.

[GathersIngredients]

Hrm, if next level up is at 30 XP, the 10 bonus goes a long way. OTOH, with a completely unexplored map, the risk of getting blown up an loosing them immediately again is high. Which would leave me pretty much doing this:

I pick the enchantment on the rude gloves, please. (if that's NOT possibly for some reason, enchant the helmet, please. Unless that's a temporary item, in which case enchant the jacket.)


Also, on the char tab, the note "head:helmet +1 DEF against melee damage, +1 DEF against ranged physical" under worn items is not there. I hope that doesn't mean I don't get to keep the helmet after this map ends.

[Theis2]

Could I get the shield enchanted with weapon mastery

[gamecreator]

I am pleased with my choice. Don't have any money for shopping though. Waiting for the next game.

[Nerre]

How does the enchanting work for me as a divine caster? Is there a list of what to pick or just the random enchants?
You also wrote spelunky cannot wield weapons, how about casters? Are there items like wands or staff which provide spells to fight with?

Do we lose items if we die? I had the impression we don't do that anymore, while it was a posibility in past games.

[Jibjib]

Looks, is it possible to pick a +1 to damage and a warrior enchantment on the same weapon or is it an either/or deal?

[LooksAndSmiles]

@Zigit:
- If I wrote weapon proficiency anywhere, it might be a mistake, there is only "Weapon Mastery" skill token, which grants an ability for the weapon you focus on (Weapon Focus: Bows, in your case).
- Jacket is the only leather armor at the moment, you could upgrade that, or buy a chain vest for 8 coins (gives +2 melee DEF). Heavy armor makes players exhaust faster, though.

@Dave
Oh Ok. I had the impression you are unsure of upgrading it to see whether it's worth or not.
The enchantment rolled is <Reinforced>

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You can use the Whip in a range of 3 moving distance (instead of the basic 2), and same sized enemies struggle too (instead of the basic smaller enemies).

@Stumbles
No worries, you still have the helmet, I just messed up copying the inventory together. I can't enchant your gloves yet (as it's already +2 and has a lucky enchantment), but I can enchant your helmet.
The rolled enchantment is <Seer's>

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Grants a level 1 Visions token which cannot be combined with any other tokens.

@Theis:
Enchantment:
(granted ability): Shield Bash: Deals physical damage equal to the shield's melee DEF value, and has a 25% chance to stun the target.

@Nerre:
-Enchantments you get as this map's reward are random, and depend on the item you want to enchant, and also your class/PT. You can't really influence that more.
-Yes, staves and wands are generally either filled with a caster skill token, or grant magic damage. You can buy a basic wand for 6 or a staff for 8 coins (more if you want it upgraded)
-No, you don't lose items if you die. Only if they are get taken away for any reason. (Quicksand for example might be mean like that.)

@Jib:
If you are talking about the buyable upgrades, they can stack as long as you have the money for it. The giant blacksmith is now an unlocked NPC to buy/upgrade stuff.

EDIT:
I will edit the new inventory along with the reduced coin amount once everyone is finished shopping, but still before the next round.

[Nerre]

So I can by a wand and then put one of my tokens in it, which allows me to be on the map with more tokens than i could have active otherwise?

Can I do the same to enchant an item? For example by boots and asign a jump token on them?

[Jibjib]

In that case, Craig will buy a +1 to damage and a warrior enchantment for his longsword, and sell his regular sword for now

[WearsHats]

I'm already multiclassed: heroic spelunker. Heroes can't fight?

How long do we have for shopping? Too tired to invent equipment.

[Zigit]

I got the description from the Resource thread. http://www.goblinsforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 284#p18265 Kinda hard to track down this thread, would you consider adding it to your signature?

Anyways I think I'll take Weapon Mastery and Push. I would also like to upgrade the bow to +1 put a random enchantment on it, and buy a +1 jacket.

[GathersIngredients]

Stumbles also buys (normal) boots for 4 coins.

btw, the frying pan is still listed to do 1 damage to foes. Is that still true, L&S?



And yeah, in case it gets put up for vote: I'm in favor of going on a mission to help the blacksmith. I wouldn't mind a different scenery, but graveyard background/theme is as good as any. As long as we get to sweep mines!

[Nerre]

Yes, we should go on his follow up mission. Liked this map, even as a nonfighter.